Zebonka - there's nothing like perfect world. Theoretically communism is the perfect political system. I can assure you that in reality it's the worst system ever invented, basically on the same level as Nazism. So it's safe to assume that the "100% is shared" system would be worse than the current situation.
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Right Sir GH, -:)))
stand up for your rights,... to paarty!!!
Burn all the mp3 on a huge vitual fire on QZ, so from then on all the world will feel proud and delighted whenever they enter QZ.
You are a kind of Don Quichote, fighting against windmills, my dear.
stand up for your rights,... to paarty!!!
Burn all the mp3 on a huge vitual fire on QZ, so from then on all the world will feel proud and delighted whenever they enter QZ.
You are a kind of Don Quichote, fighting against windmills, my dear.
"Right Sir GH, -:)))
stand up for your rights,... to paarty!!!
Burn all the mp3 on a huge vitual fire on QZ, so from then on all the world will feel proud and delighted whenever they enter QZ.
You are a kind of Don Quichote, fighting against windmills, my dear."
LOL...Or maybe his whole rant is just a ruse so he doesn't share his STASH.
stand up for your rights,... to paarty!!!
Burn all the mp3 on a huge vitual fire on QZ, so from then on all the world will feel proud and delighted whenever they enter QZ.
You are a kind of Don Quichote, fighting against windmills, my dear."
LOL...Or maybe his whole rant is just a ruse so he doesn't share his STASH.
"Basically... the only thing stopping us from widespread sharing of 'rare things' is ourselves, and I readily concede that people have their reasons for holding onto the stuff. Everyone has a hobby I suppose."
I can't argue that they can do what they please with their files. What I am saying is that the collectors are the problem because they are keeping these files out of circulation.
I can't argue that they can do what they please with their files. What I am saying is that the collectors are the problem because they are keeping these files out of circulation.
"Right. It's that asshole who is holding onto some kind of holy grail, so collectors are forced to play by his rules if they want to have any kind of a chance to even see a sample of his recording"
Are you alluding to yourself or someone else Bob? Is this "stashing" business a power trip for you, or are you pissed because another "collector" has stuff he won't share with you?
You sound like a control freak. One of the teachers Roger Waters wrote about in "Another brick in the Wall"...can't remember if it's part two or three.
I have a question: does anyone know if these two versions of Houston 1977 are the same?
From Japanese TV broadcast - "Rock Masters"
Fresh DVD transfer from a very low generation VHS tape.(from TTD)
And this one:
http://queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=738591
Thanks in advance.
Are you alluding to yourself or someone else Bob? Is this "stashing" business a power trip for you, or are you pissed because another "collector" has stuff he won't share with you?
You sound like a control freak. One of the teachers Roger Waters wrote about in "Another brick in the Wall"...can't remember if it's part two or three.
I have a question: does anyone know if these two versions of Houston 1977 are the same?
From Japanese TV broadcast - "Rock Masters"
Fresh DVD transfer from a very low generation VHS tape.(from TTD)
And this one:
http://queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=738591
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tgunn2760 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Are you alluding to yourself or someone else Bob? Is this "stashing" business a power trip for you, or are you pissed because another "collector" has stuff he won't share with you?
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I just had to comment this.
tgunn2760: You have now done some posts, and posting is fair enough. However, you dont seem to get the point. SirGH, have pointed out in a different post ( and quite obvious) that the trading rules is not something either him,me or any new traders have created. The rules have been created long time ago, and it was like a small snowball just getting bigger and bigger with more material available.
Also, most of the rare stuff have strict restrictions, meaning "not for trade". If someone shared this, they would be banned, and the traders would keep even tighter on their items. This HAVE happend, and its not a solution in the long run. Ofcourse, if you only think 5 sec ahead of you, this is great, but not a very good solution if you think further in the future.
Are you alluding to yourself or someone else Bob? Is this "stashing" business a power trip for you, or are you pissed because another "collector" has stuff he won't share with you?
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I just had to comment this.
tgunn2760: You have now done some posts, and posting is fair enough. However, you dont seem to get the point. SirGH, have pointed out in a different post ( and quite obvious) that the trading rules is not something either him,me or any new traders have created. The rules have been created long time ago, and it was like a small snowball just getting bigger and bigger with more material available.
Also, most of the rare stuff have strict restrictions, meaning "not for trade". If someone shared this, they would be banned, and the traders would keep even tighter on their items. This HAVE happend, and its not a solution in the long run. Ofcourse, if you only think 5 sec ahead of you, this is great, but not a very good solution if you think further in the future.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr. Scully wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I've noticed that a lot of collectors claim that they don't share their recordings on QueenZone because they are afraid that the QueenZone community could share them as lossy MP3's.
That is, of course, BULLSHIT - LIE - STUPID EXCUSE.[/QUOTE]
I wish I could agree with you, but I can't. What I'm talking about usually comes from people who aren't exclusively Queen collectors, but rather people who trade for other bands' recordings, and happen to have a few Queen ones. I've had plenty of experience dealing with Zeppelin/Beatles/Yes/Floyd collectors. More than once I've been denied a trade because they were afraid their Queen recordings would become mp3s - and one time it was a new US '76 show. The mentality of this website has spread. People from QZ are contacting collectors of other bands for trades, and this pro-mp3 attitude has become our reputation. Many, many collectors have told me this when I've contacted them for trades... and they think I'm just like the other Queen fans who have contacted them in the past, so they refused to trade their Queen. But they had no problem offering their other stuff! They know that the vast majority of Zeppelin/Floyd/Yes collectors scowl at anyone who is pro-mp3, so one or two mp3 collectors are of no threat to their communities' established quality standards.
Martin... We Queen collectors are not taken seriously in the outside collecting world at all, and it's time that we pull up our socks and accept this fact - and do something about it! In the last several years, only THREE new sources of Queen shows have showed up at Dime and TTD. But there are plenty of new Beatles, Zeppelin, Floyd, Sabbath, AC/DC, Yes, and countless others showing up all the time. Why? Because people who collect those bands have quality standards. It makes perfect sense. It's blatantly obvious. Trust me... there are plenty of Queen recordings out there - certainly many US '76-80 shows - and QZ is the reason why they're not shared. Honestly, can you think of a better reason? People know that Queen are one of the most important live bands ever, so it's certainly not because of a lack of demand.
People can stick up for QZ all they want, but it will only be from people who aren't talking to people in the outside collecting world. The majority of Queen collectors trade only Queen. Queenzone's pro-mp3 policy is the reason why many new recordings are kept under wraps. It's up to you if you want to believe me or not.
This is the truth as to why I choose not to share at Queenzone. I refuse to make new sources or upgrades available, only for them to become mp3. As I said earlier... if Queenzone enforced a non-mp3 policy, I would share the majority my collection here over time. At the moment, sharing FLACs here is pointless. Most people wouldn't download them, because they prefer mp3.
What I'm trying to do is enforce quality standards at QZ, so that people in the wider collecting world can respect us, and feel they can trust us with their recordings. But most people here don't know how all this stuff works, and they look down on me as if I'm some kind of enemy who is snobbily looking down at them.
But I agree with the rest of your post, regarding the mentality of collectors. This is simply the way it works, and not just in the Queen world. Collecting can be very serious business. There have been fights and even death threats in the Zeppelin community over unheard recordings. Most people just don't get it...
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Sir GH, I am not a collector, I definately prefer FLACs over MP3 (which I do convert for my ipod), and I happily keep them knowing is the best quality available. But you know what? When I find a concert available on MP3 that is not available in FLAC, I am not greedy and I take it; only because I love Queen and because I want to listen to
That is, of course, BULLSHIT - LIE - STUPID EXCUSE.[/QUOTE]
I wish I could agree with you, but I can't. What I'm talking about usually comes from people who aren't exclusively Queen collectors, but rather people who trade for other bands' recordings, and happen to have a few Queen ones. I've had plenty of experience dealing with Zeppelin/Beatles/Yes/Floyd collectors. More than once I've been denied a trade because they were afraid their Queen recordings would become mp3s - and one time it was a new US '76 show. The mentality of this website has spread. People from QZ are contacting collectors of other bands for trades, and this pro-mp3 attitude has become our reputation. Many, many collectors have told me this when I've contacted them for trades... and they think I'm just like the other Queen fans who have contacted them in the past, so they refused to trade their Queen. But they had no problem offering their other stuff! They know that the vast majority of Zeppelin/Floyd/Yes collectors scowl at anyone who is pro-mp3, so one or two mp3 collectors are of no threat to their communities' established quality standards.
Martin... We Queen collectors are not taken seriously in the outside collecting world at all, and it's time that we pull up our socks and accept this fact - and do something about it! In the last several years, only THREE new sources of Queen shows have showed up at Dime and TTD. But there are plenty of new Beatles, Zeppelin, Floyd, Sabbath, AC/DC, Yes, and countless others showing up all the time. Why? Because people who collect those bands have quality standards. It makes perfect sense. It's blatantly obvious. Trust me... there are plenty of Queen recordings out there - certainly many US '76-80 shows - and QZ is the reason why they're not shared. Honestly, can you think of a better reason? People know that Queen are one of the most important live bands ever, so it's certainly not because of a lack of demand.
People can stick up for QZ all they want, but it will only be from people who aren't talking to people in the outside collecting world. The majority of Queen collectors trade only Queen. Queenzone's pro-mp3 policy is the reason why many new recordings are kept under wraps. It's up to you if you want to believe me or not.
This is the truth as to why I choose not to share at Queenzone. I refuse to make new sources or upgrades available, only for them to become mp3. As I said earlier... if Queenzone enforced a non-mp3 policy, I would share the majority my collection here over time. At the moment, sharing FLACs here is pointless. Most people wouldn't download them, because they prefer mp3.
What I'm trying to do is enforce quality standards at QZ, so that people in the wider collecting world can respect us, and feel they can trust us with their recordings. But most people here don't know how all this stuff works, and they look down on me as if I'm some kind of enemy who is snobbily looking down at them.
But I agree with the rest of your post, regarding the mentality of collectors. This is simply the way it works, and not just in the Queen world. Collecting can be very serious business. There have been fights and even death threats in the Zeppelin community over unheard recordings. Most people just don't get it...
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Sir GH, I am not a collector, I definately prefer FLACs over MP3 (which I do convert for my ipod), and I happily keep them knowing is the best quality available. But you know what? When I find a concert available on MP3 that is not available in FLAC, I am not greedy and I take it; only because I love Queen and because I want to listen to
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Maxxbono wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sir GH, I am not a collector, I definately prefer FLACs over MP3 (which I do convert for my ipod), and I happily keep them knowing is the best quality available. But you know what? When I find a concert available on MP3 that is not available in FLAC, I am not greedy and I take it; only because I love Queen and because I want to listen to that show on whatever quality is available. In other words better MP3 than nothing.
For me, it's all about Queen and keeping the spirit alive throughout the years; and I think a lot of people here (collectors or not) are forgetting that.[/QUOTE]
If it were up to me, I'd be able to fully agree with you, and anyone who says "let's have one section for mp3, and another for FLAC". But as long as there are people who won't share their rare recordings out of fear that they will be converted to mp3, then we need to have quality standards here. I don't know how else I can make this point clear to people.
For me, it's all about Queen and keeping the spirit alive throughout the years; and I think a lot of people here (collectors or not) are forgetting that.[/QUOTE]
If it were up to me, I'd be able to fully agree with you, and anyone who says "let's have one section for mp3, and another for FLAC". But as long as there are people who won't share their rare recordings out of fear that they will be converted to mp3, then we need to have quality standards here. I don't know how else I can make this point clear to people.
Do you really think, this would solve the problem?
a mp3 and a flac section?
What, if someone turns his flac, recieved from the flac section, into a mp3?
Thats fighting against windmills, as I said.
a mp3 and a flac section?
What, if someone turns his flac, recieved from the flac section, into a mp3?
Thats fighting against windmills, as I said.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]frank39 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Do you really think, this would solve the problem?
a mp3 and a flac section?
What, if someone turns his flac, recieved from the flac section, into a mp3?
Thats fighting against windmills, as I said. [/QUOTE]
No, it definitely wouldn't *completely* solve the problem. It's just a partial solution.
a mp3 and a flac section?
What, if someone turns his flac, recieved from the flac section, into a mp3?
Thats fighting against windmills, as I said. [/QUOTE]
No, it definitely wouldn't *completely* solve the problem. It's just a partial solution.
Bob, when I read what you write about the LedZep traders who refuse to swap with you - how weird is that? And how stupid? They do not know you, they don't even know if you visit Queenzone. How can they hold you responsible for the files that are shared on QZ?
You cannot seriously expect that Queenzone changes its sharing policy just to please a couple of crazy LedZep collectors? The internet is much too big, you cannot avoid re-encoding of files that appear anywhere on the net. No compromise would make a difference to such people - no matter how many forums Richard creates. And we are talking about a small minority of people who apparently send death threats (!) to each other - sorry but these people cannot set the rules for a website like Queenzone.
What really makes me sad is the hostility and lack of tolerance I see on both ends of the spectrum. This forum is for people who share the passion for Queen music but I feel like I am in an ideological war. Nobody must share anything here, it's exactly as Martin said: it's a free world and if you don't want to share, you don't need a reason. But you cannot expect a website that is used by thousands of fans to submit to your rules. Queenzone was never a trader forum, it was always a fan forum and it's great when experienced collectors help fans with advice about encoding and various formats. Maybe that is the contribution that is most needed on Queenzone. Fights don't help at all.
You cannot seriously expect that Queenzone changes its sharing policy just to please a couple of crazy LedZep collectors? The internet is much too big, you cannot avoid re-encoding of files that appear anywhere on the net. No compromise would make a difference to such people - no matter how many forums Richard creates. And we are talking about a small minority of people who apparently send death threats (!) to each other - sorry but these people cannot set the rules for a website like Queenzone.
What really makes me sad is the hostility and lack of tolerance I see on both ends of the spectrum. This forum is for people who share the passion for Queen music but I feel like I am in an ideological war. Nobody must share anything here, it's exactly as Martin said: it's a free world and if you don't want to share, you don't need a reason. But you cannot expect a website that is used by thousands of fans to submit to your rules. Queenzone was never a trader forum, it was always a fan forum and it's great when experienced collectors help fans with advice about encoding and various formats. Maybe that is the contribution that is most needed on Queenzone. Fights don't help at all.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Bob, when I read what you write about the LedZep traders who refuse to swap with you - how weird is that? And how stupid? They do not know you, they don't even know if you visit Queenzone. How can they hold you responsible for the files that are shared on QZ?
You cannot seriously expect that Queenzone changes its sharing policy just to please a couple of crazy LedZep collectors? The internet is much too big, you cannot avoid re-encoding of files that appear anywhere on the net. No compromise would make a difference to such people - no matter how many forums Richard creates. And we are talking about a small minority of people who apparently send death threats (!) to each other - sorry but these people cannot set the rules for a website like Queenzone.
What really makes me sad is the hostility and lack of tolerance I see on both ends of the spectrum. This forum is for people who share the passion for Queen music but I feel like I am in an ideological war. Nobody must share anything here, it's exactly as Martin said: it's a free world and if you don't want to share, you don't need a reason. But you cannot expect a website that is used by thousands of fans to submit to your rules. Queenzone was never a trader forum, it was always a fan forum and it's great when experienced collectors help fans with advice about encoding and various formats. Maybe that is the contribution that is most needed on Queenzone. Fights don't help at all.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely right.
Just want you all to know that if it wasn't for Queenzone and all the fantastic ppl who share in here, I would't have the change to listen to all those great shows I have. It is magical to me, to listen those concerts that I wouldn't be able to get anywhere else, and been a Queen fan for over 30 yrs, I just gotta say: Thanks to the Queenzone administrators and the fan community!!!
You cannot seriously expect that Queenzone changes its sharing policy just to please a couple of crazy LedZep collectors? The internet is much too big, you cannot avoid re-encoding of files that appear anywhere on the net. No compromise would make a difference to such people - no matter how many forums Richard creates. And we are talking about a small minority of people who apparently send death threats (!) to each other - sorry but these people cannot set the rules for a website like Queenzone.
What really makes me sad is the hostility and lack of tolerance I see on both ends of the spectrum. This forum is for people who share the passion for Queen music but I feel like I am in an ideological war. Nobody must share anything here, it's exactly as Martin said: it's a free world and if you don't want to share, you don't need a reason. But you cannot expect a website that is used by thousands of fans to submit to your rules. Queenzone was never a trader forum, it was always a fan forum and it's great when experienced collectors help fans with advice about encoding and various formats. Maybe that is the contribution that is most needed on Queenzone. Fights don't help at all.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely right.
Just want you all to know that if it wasn't for Queenzone and all the fantastic ppl who share in here, I would't have the change to listen to all those great shows I have. It is magical to me, to listen those concerts that I wouldn't be able to get anywhere else, and been a Queen fan for over 30 yrs, I just gotta say: Thanks to the Queenzone administrators and the fan community!!!
It is well known that Queenzone is where the majority of Queen sharing happens, and it's mostly in mp3. I hope that one day you people will realize that new Queen recordings are being kept under wraps because of the lack of quality standards we have here. It's not just "a few Led Zep collectors". It is virtually EVERY collector from EVERY band who has quality standards - except for Queen. They don't want their recordings to become lossy, so therefore they don't share their goods. When you spend years talking to collectors of other bands than Queen, then maybe you'll learn how it works in the REAL collecting world.
SirGH, in all respect, but you're talking from the view of a trader.
I'm a Queen fan since 1977, and only Queenzone made it possible for me to listen to their live shows. Before I found QZ I only knew the official stuff.
I can't describe how happy I am to have the possibility to download all the great stuff for free, without having to trade something in return (which I never would be able to). If there was a FLAC only policy on QZ, I doubt I would have more than 10 or 20 concerts yet – just because there would much less shares – but thanks to MP3 I have a lot more. And what's more important: I can give something in return by again sharing all those shows (almost) continuously to help spreading them.
Of course I prefer FLAC files over MP3. But I doubt that all the people who share MP3 stuff just out of convenience or lack of knowledge (those are the vast majority, no doubt) would share everything in FLAC if MP3 sharing was banned. And to rely on the few traders would be ridiculously silly. I can do without some 5 or 6 rare shows that stay withheld. I am lucky with what I have already thanks to MP3.
I can understand that you traders are interested in those rare shows that haven't been shared yet, but ... sorry, but ... you should have stayed away from QZ ;-)
And: It's easier to change your own ways, not QZ.
I'm a Queen fan since 1977, and only Queenzone made it possible for me to listen to their live shows. Before I found QZ I only knew the official stuff.
I can't describe how happy I am to have the possibility to download all the great stuff for free, without having to trade something in return (which I never would be able to). If there was a FLAC only policy on QZ, I doubt I would have more than 10 or 20 concerts yet – just because there would much less shares – but thanks to MP3 I have a lot more. And what's more important: I can give something in return by again sharing all those shows (almost) continuously to help spreading them.
Of course I prefer FLAC files over MP3. But I doubt that all the people who share MP3 stuff just out of convenience or lack of knowledge (those are the vast majority, no doubt) would share everything in FLAC if MP3 sharing was banned. And to rely on the few traders would be ridiculously silly. I can do without some 5 or 6 rare shows that stay withheld. I am lucky with what I have already thanks to MP3.
I can understand that you traders are interested in those rare shows that haven't been shared yet, but ... sorry, but ... you should have stayed away from QZ ;-)
And: It's easier to change your own ways, not QZ.
Bob, I don't agree with you. You're basically saying that if you shared your recordings on QueenZone, Led Zep collectors won't trade with you. That's IMHO... not true at all, if I say it politely.
And as for the MP3/FLAC difference. 80% of Queen recordings we have is 3rd-4th generation at least. Each of these generations (tape -> tape transfer) is 100x worse than any MP3 conversion. I see no reason why MP3 encoding would hurt in case of an old hissy high-gen recording. If I wasn't a collector, I'm pretty sure I would have my collection in MP3 only.
And as for the MP3/FLAC difference. 80% of Queen recordings we have is 3rd-4th generation at least. Each of these generations (tape -> tape transfer) is 100x worse than any MP3 conversion. I see no reason why MP3 encoding would hurt in case of an old hissy high-gen recording. If I wasn't a collector, I'm pretty sure I would have my collection in MP3 only.