[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
excuse the lack of punctuation but shes disgusting. its like watching andrea yates get off death row for killing her children. this is what makes me so angry about my country that we allow these people to get away with so much. she should be in jail, but tahts my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I personally cannot even fathom relating what these people are doing to homocide. Not even close.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
excuse the lack of punctuation but shes disgusting. its like watching andrea yates get off death row for killing her children. this is what makes me so angry about my country that we allow these people to get away with so much. she should be in jail, but tahts my opinion.
*awaits slaughter* [/QUOTE]
Andrea Yates is a completely different story. She'd been on medication and then her doctor suddenly and radically altered her dosage just days before the murders.
This woman, this Phelps-Roper, however, isn't medicated and hasn't broken the law. That's the point I keep trying to make because that's what bugs me about this. They know how to manipulate people and events without stepping outside the law. As infuriating as their actions are, they cannot be stopped legally because they're not doing anything illegal.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Excellent points, both of you! I only wish I was around to get into this debate, since it seems to be over. [/QUOTE]
It seems the debate is not over after all. ;-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
...Well, book smarts aren't hard to have...in fact I think they are the easiest type of get, all you have to do is read the books and memorize the stuff you need. Hitler had book smarts, and so does this family. That doesn't make them smart by any stretch of the imagination; they are too wrapped up in their own hate and self-righteousness to see that their actions are hurting people. The older members of the family don't give a crap, because they have a victimhood mentality...everyone is against them, so it's ok to lash out and hurt people. [/QUOTE]
You're right, but I wonder if the younger ones really fail to see how their actions hurt people. The daughters - at least the older one - seemed to get off on that the way her mother does.
They also seem to enjoy having the last word after a battle of name-calling and raised voices. They know they're not changing anyone's mind or opinion, they're just there to shout the loudest. At least, that's how it seems to me.
So, what happened? The patriarch of the family (who is now dead and buried, I believe) decides homosexuality is disgusting and so turns to scripture to 'prove' how vile "fags" are? He warps passages in the bible to fit his needs and spreads the word - along with hatred and vehemence - to his children (many of whom, btw, are estranged from the family due to their beliefs and actions). They become so absorbed in their hatred and their need to prove their opinions as fact, that they screech and preach until they get the obvious reactions, which only proves to them that they've been right all along - American is doomed because her people won't bow to their 'raging mad god'.
They win either way. You agree and they will have saved you. You fight and they see how many sinners there truly are, as well as how much more 'work' they have to do.
Who marries these people? I guess we can only hope they frown on inbreeding and slowly (quickly?) die out.
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Yay! I love a debate! (as most people around here know).
The younger kids? They are brainwashed. I don't think they see. The adults don't see the pain they are causing because they don't want to see it. The little kids don't see it because they are sheltered from it, put into the reality their family thinks they should see, and before they see the real outside world in all its glory, they are told how to view it...a filter is put in place before they even get a chance to see anything that could make them question their beliefs.
They are raised as very young children to believe what their parents tell them (we are all that way, but most of us had decent parents), reality is nothing more than perception. Before they get out into the "real world", the older members of the family
excuse the lack of punctuation but shes disgusting. its like watching andrea yates get off death row for killing her children. this is what makes me so angry about my country that we allow these people to get away with so much. she should be in jail, but tahts my opinion.
*awaits slaughter* [/QUOTE]
Andrea Yates is a completely different story. She'd been on medication and then her doctor suddenly and radically altered her dosage just days before the murders.
This woman, this Phelps-Roper, however, isn't medicated and hasn't broken the law. That's the point I keep trying to make because that's what bugs me about this. They know how to manipulate people and events without stepping outside the law. As infuriating as their actions are, they cannot be stopped legally because they're not doing anything illegal.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Excellent points, both of you! I only wish I was around to get into this debate, since it seems to be over. [/QUOTE]
It seems the debate is not over after all. ;-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
...Well, book smarts aren't hard to have...in fact I think they are the easiest type of get, all you have to do is read the books and memorize the stuff you need. Hitler had book smarts, and so does this family. That doesn't make them smart by any stretch of the imagination; they are too wrapped up in their own hate and self-righteousness to see that their actions are hurting people. The older members of the family don't give a crap, because they have a victimhood mentality...everyone is against them, so it's ok to lash out and hurt people. [/QUOTE]
You're right, but I wonder if the younger ones really fail to see how their actions hurt people. The daughters - at least the older one - seemed to get off on that the way her mother does.
They also seem to enjoy having the last word after a battle of name-calling and raised voices. They know they're not changing anyone's mind or opinion, they're just there to shout the loudest. At least, that's how it seems to me.
So, what happened? The patriarch of the family (who is now dead and buried, I believe) decides homosexuality is disgusting and so turns to scripture to 'prove' how vile "fags" are? He warps passages in the bible to fit his needs and spreads the word - along with hatred and vehemence - to his children (many of whom, btw, are estranged from the family due to their beliefs and actions). They become so absorbed in their hatred and their need to prove their opinions as fact, that they screech and preach until they get the obvious reactions, which only proves to them that they've been right all along - American is doomed because her people won't bow to their 'raging mad god'.
They win either way. You agree and they will have saved you. You fight and they see how many sinners there truly are, as well as how much more 'work' they have to do.
Who marries these people? I guess we can only hope they frown on inbreeding and slowly (quickly?) die out.
[/QUOTE]
Yay! I love a debate! (as most people around here know).
The younger kids? They are brainwashed. I don't think they see. The adults don't see the pain they are causing because they don't want to see it. The little kids don't see it because they are sheltered from it, put into the reality their family thinks they should see, and before they see the real outside world in all its glory, they are told how to view it...a filter is put in place before they even get a chance to see anything that could make them question their beliefs.
They are raised as very young children to believe what their parents tell them (we are all that way, but most of us had decent parents), reality is nothing more than perception. Before they get out into the "real world", the older members of the family
I have a question: why is it legal in the USA to disturb a funeral? Aren't there any laws to regulate public demonstrations? In Germany you need to notify the authorities if you hold a public demonstration and if the peace is going to be disturbed you won't get permission to do this demonstration. You can go to court and ask the court to overrule the city council decision (which happens very often when Nazi -like organisations want to do a demonstration)but I cannot imagine that a court would allow a religious or allegedly religious group to spread their hate messages near a funeral.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
excuse the lack of punctuation but shes disgusting. its like watching andrea yates get off death row for killing her children. this is what makes me so angry about my country that we allow these people to get away with so much. she should be in jail, but tahts my opinion.
*awaits slaughter* [/QUOTE]
Andrea Yates is a completely different story. She'd been on medication and then her doctor suddenly and radically altered her dosage just days before the murders.
This woman, this Phelps-Roper, however, isn't medicated and hasn't broken the law. That's the point I keep trying to make because that's what bugs me about this. They know how to manipulate people and events without stepping outside the law. As infuriating as their actions are, they cannot be stopped legally because they're not doing anything illegal.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Excellent points, both of you! I only wish I was around to get into this debate, since it seems to be over. [/QUOTE]
It seems the debate is not over after all. ;-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
...Well, book smarts aren't hard to have...in fact I think they are the easiest type of get, all you have to do is read the books and memorize the stuff you need. Hitler had book smarts, and so does this family. That doesn't make them smart by any stretch of the imagination; they are too wrapped up in their own hate and self-righteousness to see that their actions are hurting people. The older members of the family don't give a crap, because they have a victimhood mentality...everyone is against them, so it's ok to lash out and hurt people. [/QUOTE]
You're right, but I wonder if the younger ones really fail to see how their actions hurt people. The daughters - at least the older one - seemed to get off on that the way her mother does.
They also seem to enjoy having the last word after a battle of name-calling and raised voices. They know they're not changing anyone's mind or opinion, they're just there to shout the loudest. At least, that's how it seems to me.
So, what happened? The patriarch of the family (who is now dead and buried, I believe) decides homosexuality is disgusting and so turns to scripture to 'prove' how vile "fags" are? He warps passages in the bible to fit his needs and spreads the word - along with hatred and vehemence - to his children (many of whom, btw, are estranged from the family due to their beliefs and actions). They become so absorbed in their hatred and their need to prove their opinions as fact, that they screech and preach until they get the obvious reactions, which only proves to them that they've been right all along - American is doomed because her people won't bow to their 'raging mad god'.
They win either way. You agree and they will have saved you. You fight and they see how many sinners there truly are, as well as how much more 'work' they have to do.
Who marries these people? I guess we can only hope they frown on inbreeding and slowly (quickly?) die out.
[/QUOTE]
Yay! I love a debate! (as most people around here know).
The younger kids? They are brainwashed. I don't think they see. The adults don't see the pain they are causing because they don't want to see it. The little kids don't see it because they are sheltered from it, put into the reality their family thinks they should see, and before they see the real outside world in all its glory, they are told how to view it...a filter is put in place before they even get a chance to see anything that could make them question their beliefs.
They are raised as very young children to believe what their parents tell them (we are all that way, but most of us had decent parents), reality is nothing more than perception. Before they get out into the &qu
excuse the lack of punctuation but shes disgusting. its like watching andrea yates get off death row for killing her children. this is what makes me so angry about my country that we allow these people to get away with so much. she should be in jail, but tahts my opinion.
*awaits slaughter* [/QUOTE]
Andrea Yates is a completely different story. She'd been on medication and then her doctor suddenly and radically altered her dosage just days before the murders.
This woman, this Phelps-Roper, however, isn't medicated and hasn't broken the law. That's the point I keep trying to make because that's what bugs me about this. They know how to manipulate people and events without stepping outside the law. As infuriating as their actions are, they cannot be stopped legally because they're not doing anything illegal.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Excellent points, both of you! I only wish I was around to get into this debate, since it seems to be over. [/QUOTE]
It seems the debate is not over after all. ;-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
...Well, book smarts aren't hard to have...in fact I think they are the easiest type of get, all you have to do is read the books and memorize the stuff you need. Hitler had book smarts, and so does this family. That doesn't make them smart by any stretch of the imagination; they are too wrapped up in their own hate and self-righteousness to see that their actions are hurting people. The older members of the family don't give a crap, because they have a victimhood mentality...everyone is against them, so it's ok to lash out and hurt people. [/QUOTE]
You're right, but I wonder if the younger ones really fail to see how their actions hurt people. The daughters - at least the older one - seemed to get off on that the way her mother does.
They also seem to enjoy having the last word after a battle of name-calling and raised voices. They know they're not changing anyone's mind or opinion, they're just there to shout the loudest. At least, that's how it seems to me.
So, what happened? The patriarch of the family (who is now dead and buried, I believe) decides homosexuality is disgusting and so turns to scripture to 'prove' how vile "fags" are? He warps passages in the bible to fit his needs and spreads the word - along with hatred and vehemence - to his children (many of whom, btw, are estranged from the family due to their beliefs and actions). They become so absorbed in their hatred and their need to prove their opinions as fact, that they screech and preach until they get the obvious reactions, which only proves to them that they've been right all along - American is doomed because her people won't bow to their 'raging mad god'.
They win either way. You agree and they will have saved you. You fight and they see how many sinners there truly are, as well as how much more 'work' they have to do.
Who marries these people? I guess we can only hope they frown on inbreeding and slowly (quickly?) die out.
[/QUOTE]
Yay! I love a debate! (as most people around here know).
The younger kids? They are brainwashed. I don't think they see. The adults don't see the pain they are causing because they don't want to see it. The little kids don't see it because they are sheltered from it, put into the reality their family thinks they should see, and before they see the real outside world in all its glory, they are told how to view it...a filter is put in place before they even get a chance to see anything that could make them question their beliefs.
They are raised as very young children to believe what their parents tell them (we are all that way, but most of us had decent parents), reality is nothing more than perception. Before they get out into the &qu
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I have a question: why is it legal in the USA to disturb a funeral? Aren't there any laws to regulate public demonstrations? In Germany you need to notify the authorities if you hold a public demonstration and if the peace is going to be disturbed you won't get permission to do this demonstration. You can go to court and ask the court to overrule the city council decision (which happens very often when Nazi -like organisations want to do a demonstration)but I cannot imagine that a court would allow a religious or allegedly religious group to spread their hate messages near a funeral.[/QUOTE]
Hey Barb,
interesting question actually. In the US, it tends to go that we don't get laws passed against things until they happen and we realize a law is needed....we don't tend to think about the what if's too much. So I don't think anyone ever thought that anyone would disturb a funeral and that laws should be passed to ban it, until this stuff started happening.
As a result of this group, many states (including mine) have passed laws requiring you to stay 500 feet away from the funeral and saying that you can only protest until an hour before and can't start until an hour after the service has ended. These laws were on the mid-term election ballots in November in a lot of states. Actually, there is a really cool thing that happend to kind of combat that problem before the laws were passed, which the crazy woman refered to. A group of motorcyclists (most of them military vets themselves) would go around the country. This church always made it known which funerals they were going to protest, so the motorcycle group would follow them around, and form a large human chain between where the graveside service was taking place and the church nuts. There would be a hundred or so of them, all with big signs and banners and things, so they could obstruct the view of the protestors from the family (they would have their backs towards the church protestors).
The sad thing is we can't outright ban those kinds of protests. Freedom of assembly laws forbid it, and even if we didn't have freedom of assembly laws we do have freedom of speech laws. These are laws explicity guaranteed in the Constitution, and the only way to change them is to have 3/4 of Congress (both houses) approve, the President sign off on it, and have 3/4 of the states approve it. That will never happen that those laws get removed from the Constitution. This group follows the law...they get the required permits. The demonstration only becomes illegal if they either A) don't get the permits or B) if the protest becomes violent.
Normally when this group applies for a permit, the city that approves it, because they know all about this group and are sensative to the families who are greiving, will place a large number of officers on duty, and will require the protestors to stay 500 feet away instead of the normal 200 feet, but that's all they can do. They can't turn down the application for a permit, or they will be sued, and technically since this group isn't violating a law the ban will be overturned in Federal Court. Obviously this is an indecent thing to do that violates all sense of decency, morality and common sense, but it's not illegal. Actually the city would be in deep trouble if they did turn it down, because it's a direct surpression of guaranteed freedoms. All they can do is make it as difficult as possible for the protestors, and try and take some of the steam out of the message.
That's why these laws that are banning the protests are only semi-effective. A state can't have a law that is in direct violation of a federal law (because Federal trumps State) or a direct violation of the Constitution. The states couldn't ban the protests entirely, all they could do is say "If you start before, you have to be off the premesis an hour before the funeral starts, and if you start after yo
Hey Barb,
interesting question actually. In the US, it tends to go that we don't get laws passed against things until they happen and we realize a law is needed....we don't tend to think about the what if's too much. So I don't think anyone ever thought that anyone would disturb a funeral and that laws should be passed to ban it, until this stuff started happening.
As a result of this group, many states (including mine) have passed laws requiring you to stay 500 feet away from the funeral and saying that you can only protest until an hour before and can't start until an hour after the service has ended. These laws were on the mid-term election ballots in November in a lot of states. Actually, there is a really cool thing that happend to kind of combat that problem before the laws were passed, which the crazy woman refered to. A group of motorcyclists (most of them military vets themselves) would go around the country. This church always made it known which funerals they were going to protest, so the motorcycle group would follow them around, and form a large human chain between where the graveside service was taking place and the church nuts. There would be a hundred or so of them, all with big signs and banners and things, so they could obstruct the view of the protestors from the family (they would have their backs towards the church protestors).
The sad thing is we can't outright ban those kinds of protests. Freedom of assembly laws forbid it, and even if we didn't have freedom of assembly laws we do have freedom of speech laws. These are laws explicity guaranteed in the Constitution, and the only way to change them is to have 3/4 of Congress (both houses) approve, the President sign off on it, and have 3/4 of the states approve it. That will never happen that those laws get removed from the Constitution. This group follows the law...they get the required permits. The demonstration only becomes illegal if they either A) don't get the permits or B) if the protest becomes violent.
Normally when this group applies for a permit, the city that approves it, because they know all about this group and are sensative to the families who are greiving, will place a large number of officers on duty, and will require the protestors to stay 500 feet away instead of the normal 200 feet, but that's all they can do. They can't turn down the application for a permit, or they will be sued, and technically since this group isn't violating a law the ban will be overturned in Federal Court. Obviously this is an indecent thing to do that violates all sense of decency, morality and common sense, but it's not illegal. Actually the city would be in deep trouble if they did turn it down, because it's a direct surpression of guaranteed freedoms. All they can do is make it as difficult as possible for the protestors, and try and take some of the steam out of the message.
That's why these laws that are banning the protests are only semi-effective. A state can't have a law that is in direct violation of a federal law (because Federal trumps State) or a direct violation of the Constitution. The states couldn't ban the protests entirely, all they could do is say "If you start before, you have to be off the premesis an hour before the funeral starts, and if you start after yo
I think all three of those women (that woman and her daughters) need a bunch of smacks across the face.
If it was legal, I'd go ahead and do it, and spit in their face as well.
I think that woman and her children have family sex.. they look like they are from one of those cults that like incest.
I'm surprised the woman's not dead.. after saying things like that, she's liable to be killed on the street.
Then we can all say "You deserved to die" just as she says about the innocent.
If it was legal, I'd go ahead and do it, and spit in their face as well.
I think that woman and her children have family sex.. they look like they are from one of those cults that like incest.
I'm surprised the woman's not dead.. after saying things like that, she's liable to be killed on the street.
Then we can all say "You deserved to die" just as she says about the innocent.
I totally support these people's rights to be hateful and obnoxious.
After all, they would probably find me to be hateful and obnoxious and just because (I hope) the majority of people are appalled at their "message" doesn't mean their right to say it should be taken away.
The rights of a minority should be protected, even if they're doing something "hateful". After all, "gay rights" apply directly to a "minority" that, from what I can tell - the majority does not "approve of" or finds "disgusting".
After thoroughly abusing quotation marks...
I do NOT agree with this going on at a funeral. Well, if they want to picket the funeral of someone with consent, I guess they can go for it.
But as I stated before, it should fall under "harassment" to protest at a funeral where they KNOW people are already in a vulnerable state.
This group is abusing the deceased and the families of the deceased to get their "message" out. This is like them standing on top of the corpse in order to be seen.
In the end, I still do not wish them harm - though I in no way agree with their "message". I can only hope that if there is a "God" fellow, he forgives them.
I also wish these people would take up gardening, go work in a soup kitchen, or otherwise do something to actually help the world that they find so distasteful.
After all, they would probably find me to be hateful and obnoxious and just because (I hope) the majority of people are appalled at their "message" doesn't mean their right to say it should be taken away.
The rights of a minority should be protected, even if they're doing something "hateful". After all, "gay rights" apply directly to a "minority" that, from what I can tell - the majority does not "approve of" or finds "disgusting".
After thoroughly abusing quotation marks...
I do NOT agree with this going on at a funeral. Well, if they want to picket the funeral of someone with consent, I guess they can go for it.
But as I stated before, it should fall under "harassment" to protest at a funeral where they KNOW people are already in a vulnerable state.
This group is abusing the deceased and the families of the deceased to get their "message" out. This is like them standing on top of the corpse in order to be seen.
In the end, I still do not wish them harm - though I in no way agree with their "message". I can only hope that if there is a "God" fellow, he forgives them.
I also wish these people would take up gardening, go work in a soup kitchen, or otherwise do something to actually help the world that they find so distasteful.
If I double post this I'm sorry
I agree with CMU about her children, they are brainwashed. I think they'd be such lovely girls, just like they were when they discussed their hobbies outside of their religion, if they hadn't been brought up with all this hatred around them, albeit not directed at them.
As for the Phelps woman, I don't know. I had it clearly in my mind that she is a terrible woman full stop. I still think that but...no full stop. Some excellent points were raised in that debate. Yes it is awful when no-one listens to your point of view, yes you get angry, yes you start to shout about it but...
Maybe she should stop... think about her point of view, why doesn't anyone want to listen? What's wrong with what she is saying? Gay hatred? Ok what's wrong with being gay? Where exactly does it say in my precious scriptures that God despises all gay people with the same burning passionate hatred that I feel? The Bible doesn't preach hating those different to ourselves, yes it probably does say being gay is unorthodox but hey, it is. Not bad, just not usual as far as nature is concerned. This is the 'do your own thang' generation. I'm entitled to my opinion and choice but hell, so are 'fags'. Maybe I should grow up and keep my opinions to myself, instead of causing so much hate and disturbance in America.
A point of view is a point of view. I don't know if a point of view like that makes a bad person. I don't know what does make a bad person. I know it isn't right to use religion to cause so much pain and with such mean twisted bitterness and anger. And telling families in a screaming shouting mob-like manner, whilst they lay their loved ones to rest, that the soldiers/Amish girls got what was coming to them, God bless 9/11, AIDS and war is just plain wrong. Those girls and those soldiers, the ones that were merely following orders, have done nothing wrong!
I agree with CMU about her children, they are brainwashed. I think they'd be such lovely girls, just like they were when they discussed their hobbies outside of their religion, if they hadn't been brought up with all this hatred around them, albeit not directed at them.
As for the Phelps woman, I don't know. I had it clearly in my mind that she is a terrible woman full stop. I still think that but...no full stop. Some excellent points were raised in that debate. Yes it is awful when no-one listens to your point of view, yes you get angry, yes you start to shout about it but...
Maybe she should stop... think about her point of view, why doesn't anyone want to listen? What's wrong with what she is saying? Gay hatred? Ok what's wrong with being gay? Where exactly does it say in my precious scriptures that God despises all gay people with the same burning passionate hatred that I feel? The Bible doesn't preach hating those different to ourselves, yes it probably does say being gay is unorthodox but hey, it is. Not bad, just not usual as far as nature is concerned. This is the 'do your own thang' generation. I'm entitled to my opinion and choice but hell, so are 'fags'. Maybe I should grow up and keep my opinions to myself, instead of causing so much hate and disturbance in America.
A point of view is a point of view. I don't know if a point of view like that makes a bad person. I don't know what does make a bad person. I know it isn't right to use religion to cause so much pain and with such mean twisted bitterness and anger. And telling families in a screaming shouting mob-like manner, whilst they lay their loved ones to rest, that the soldiers/Amish girls got what was coming to them, God bless 9/11, AIDS and war is just plain wrong. Those girls and those soldiers, the ones that were merely following orders, have done nothing wrong!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I totally support these people's rights to be hateful and obnoxious.
After all, they would probably find me to be hateful and obnoxious and just because (I hope) the majority of people are appalled at their "message" doesn't mean their right to say it should be taken away.
The rights of a minority should be protected, even if they're doing something "hateful". After all, "gay rights" apply directly to a "minority" that, from what I can tell - the majority does not "approve of" or finds "disgusting".[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with Charlie here. There's nothing more dangerous than the tyranny of the majority. Reasonable exceptions always lead to unreasonable exceptions, so it's best to not make any exceptions at all.
After all, they would probably find me to be hateful and obnoxious and just because (I hope) the majority of people are appalled at their "message" doesn't mean their right to say it should be taken away.
The rights of a minority should be protected, even if they're doing something "hateful". After all, "gay rights" apply directly to a "minority" that, from what I can tell - the majority does not "approve of" or finds "disgusting".[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with Charlie here. There's nothing more dangerous than the tyranny of the majority. Reasonable exceptions always lead to unreasonable exceptions, so it's best to not make any exceptions at all.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I totally support these people's rights to be hateful and obnoxious.
After all, they would probably find me to be hateful and obnoxious and just because (I hope) the majority of people are appalled at their "message" doesn't mean their right to say it should be taken away.
The rights of a minority should be protected, even if they're doing something "hateful". After all, "gay rights" apply directly to a "minority" that, from what I can tell - the majority does not "approve of" or finds "disgusting".[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with Charlie here. There's nothing more dangerous than the tyranny of the majority. Reasonable exceptions always lead to unreasonable exceptions, so it's best to not make any exceptions at all.[/QUOTE]
You had to say tyranny of the majority, didn't you?? Now you've caused me to have Tocqueville flashbacks!!!! **graps head in hands and slams eyes shut**
After all, they would probably find me to be hateful and obnoxious and just because (I hope) the majority of people are appalled at their "message" doesn't mean their right to say it should be taken away.
The rights of a minority should be protected, even if they're doing something "hateful". After all, "gay rights" apply directly to a "minority" that, from what I can tell - the majority does not "approve of" or finds "disgusting".[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with Charlie here. There's nothing more dangerous than the tyranny of the majority. Reasonable exceptions always lead to unreasonable exceptions, so it's best to not make any exceptions at all.[/QUOTE]
You had to say tyranny of the majority, didn't you?? Now you've caused me to have Tocqueville flashbacks!!!! **graps head in hands and slams eyes shut**
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I totally support these people's rights to be hateful and obnoxious.
After all, they would probably find me to be hateful and obnoxious and just because (I hope) the majority of people are appalled at their "message" doesn't mean their right to say it should be taken away.
The rights of a minority should be protected, even if they're doing something "hateful". After all, "gay rights" apply directly to a "minority" that, from what I can tell - the majority does not "approve of" or finds "disgusting".[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with Charlie here. There's nothing more dangerous than the tyranny of the majority. Reasonable exceptions always lead to unreasonable exceptions, so it's best to not make any exceptions at all.[/QUOTE]
its true. i, myslef hate double standards, so we're just as guilty if we say they cant have their opinion. they can have it but they just need to keep it to theirselves or at least argue more reasonbly, and NOT harm grieving families is what ive been saying (in the heat of anger i become more extereme). i dont agree on letting them be hateful and obnoxious tho, but i also never see a reason to hate. someone just needs to have them shut up, they need to try and see both sides. fine, they dont have to like what we think and we dont have to like what they think but a few hints of hatred towards them shouldve been a hint.
of all things, there should never a reason to taunt a grieving family. even if you hated that person, think about the family. they would hate it too if we said 'hey! glad your psycho daughter is dead!' if one of her children died. the hatred just needs to stop. theres no reaason for it.
After all, they would probably find me to be hateful and obnoxious and just because (I hope) the majority of people are appalled at their "message" doesn't mean their right to say it should be taken away.
The rights of a minority should be protected, even if they're doing something "hateful". After all, "gay rights" apply directly to a "minority" that, from what I can tell - the majority does not "approve of" or finds "disgusting".[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with Charlie here. There's nothing more dangerous than the tyranny of the majority. Reasonable exceptions always lead to unreasonable exceptions, so it's best to not make any exceptions at all.[/QUOTE]
its true. i, myslef hate double standards, so we're just as guilty if we say they cant have their opinion. they can have it but they just need to keep it to theirselves or at least argue more reasonbly, and NOT harm grieving families is what ive been saying (in the heat of anger i become more extereme). i dont agree on letting them be hateful and obnoxious tho, but i also never see a reason to hate. someone just needs to have them shut up, they need to try and see both sides. fine, they dont have to like what we think and we dont have to like what they think but a few hints of hatred towards them shouldve been a hint.
of all things, there should never a reason to taunt a grieving family. even if you hated that person, think about the family. they would hate it too if we said 'hey! glad your psycho daughter is dead!' if one of her children died. the hatred just needs to stop. theres no reaason for it.
I don't necessarily think that's a double standard, Sparrow.
I also hate hypocrisy and double standards...but there is a limit.
Think, do, say whatever you want. I don't care. But as soon as you cause pain or grief to someone else...that's where the line is. Because at that point it's not about freedom of anything anymore...you've hurt another person, and you never have the right to do that.
I also hate hypocrisy and double standards...but there is a limit.
Think, do, say whatever you want. I don't care. But as soon as you cause pain or grief to someone else...that's where the line is. Because at that point it's not about freedom of anything anymore...you've hurt another person, and you never have the right to do that.
WOW, this woman is such a crazy bitch that she just made Tyra Banks a likeable person.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't necessarily think that's a double standard, Sparrow.
I also hate hypocrisy and double standards...but there is a limit.
Think, do, say whatever you want. I don't care. But as soon as you cause pain or grief to someone else...that's where the line is. Because at that point it's not about freedom of anything anymore...you've hurt another person, and you never have the right to do that. [/QUOTE]
you said it.
I also hate hypocrisy and double standards...but there is a limit.
Think, do, say whatever you want. I don't care. But as soon as you cause pain or grief to someone else...that's where the line is. Because at that point it's not about freedom of anything anymore...you've hurt another person, and you never have the right to do that. [/QUOTE]
you said it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]WOW, this woman is such a crazy bitch that she just made Tyra Banks a likeable person.[/QUOTE]
^He said it.
^He said it.