I don't think they became mediocre composers or performers.
I think they just wanted to try something else. And stacking up 20+ guitars and vocals weren't nessecary for that. And it's all in the eye of the beholder.
A boyband fan might love Break Free, but thinks March of the Black Queen is a terrible song, because it doesn't have a catchy tune or something to dance to.
It's just what you're listening for.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]olly1988 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I thought the production on the Works was good. It was crisp, fresh sounding and had some very original drum sounds. I personally thought Mack was one that helped Queen get out of the rut that albums like 'News of the World' has got them into.[/QUOTE]
sorry, but i disagree. NOTW and Jazz actually sounded like there had been some production applied to them.
Works sounds empty - almost like the band recorded it themselves...it has that "empty theatre, rehearsal sound" to it
i really hate it - the sound, not the songs
sorry, but i disagree. NOTW and Jazz actually sounded like there had been some production applied to them.
Works sounds empty - almost like the band recorded it themselves...it has that "empty theatre, rehearsal sound" to it
i really hate it - the sound, not the songs
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]write your letters in the sand wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen and specially Freddie cant write bad music[/QUOTE]
Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?[/QUOTE]
and body language
Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?[/QUOTE]
and body language
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]write your letters in the sand wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen and specially Freddie cant write bad music[/QUOTE]
Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?[/QUOTE]
and body language[/QUOTE]
yes and they both are great songs, sure they are less serious than the other songs but still great songs.
Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?[/QUOTE]
and body language[/QUOTE]
yes and they both are great songs, sure they are less serious than the other songs but still great songs.
you really are a clueless queen-stepford sychophantic tw*t
> mediocre songwriters hahah joke of the century! i want to see YOU write one of those "mediocre" songs
Mediocre isn't "I can do it better". Mediocre is "THEY could do it better". Having somebody like Freddie penning 'Body Language' is mediocre.
> The drum sound especially is rather horrible on the Mack produced albums.
I quite like it, actually. Except where they used synths or machines, but that's because of (now dated) technology, not because of the producer.
> I find it hilarious that the guy above said they was mediocre songwriters in the 80's but to slight their PERFORMING abilities through the 80's when they put on some of their greatest shows ever just dismisses this guy for real.
Loads of concerts from the 70's were much better than Live Aid and Magic Tour. In the 80's they were entertainers, in the 70's they were musicians.
> I think they just wanted to try something else. And stacking up 20+ guitars and vocals weren't nessecary for that. And it's all in the eye of the beholder.
I don't think a good composer must use 20+ chords and 5+ modulations, or a good performer must layer 20+ guitars or voices. 'Dear Friends' is a wonderful song, having only one instrument (with very easy parts) and a very simple structure and harmony. But OTOH 'Don't Try Suicide' (with crazy chords and modal switches) is way below its composer's level. It's like having a top painter drawing a mountain, a tree and a sun, knowing that they could do something much better (and by 'better', I don't mean complex).
> A boyband fan might love Break Free, but thinks March of the Black Queen is a terrible song, because it doesn't have a catchy tune or something to dance to.
I'm a boyband fan and I don't like 'Break Free', and I don't think either that or 'Black Queen' have "something to dance to" ;)
Mediocre isn't "I can do it better". Mediocre is "THEY could do it better". Having somebody like Freddie penning 'Body Language' is mediocre.
> The drum sound especially is rather horrible on the Mack produced albums.
I quite like it, actually. Except where they used synths or machines, but that's because of (now dated) technology, not because of the producer.
> I find it hilarious that the guy above said they was mediocre songwriters in the 80's but to slight their PERFORMING abilities through the 80's when they put on some of their greatest shows ever just dismisses this guy for real.
Loads of concerts from the 70's were much better than Live Aid and Magic Tour. In the 80's they were entertainers, in the 70's they were musicians.
> I think they just wanted to try something else. And stacking up 20+ guitars and vocals weren't nessecary for that. And it's all in the eye of the beholder.
I don't think a good composer must use 20+ chords and 5+ modulations, or a good performer must layer 20+ guitars or voices. 'Dear Friends' is a wonderful song, having only one instrument (with very easy parts) and a very simple structure and harmony. But OTOH 'Don't Try Suicide' (with crazy chords and modal switches) is way below its composer's level. It's like having a top painter drawing a mountain, a tree and a sun, knowing that they could do something much better (and by 'better', I don't mean complex).
> A boyband fan might love Break Free, but thinks March of the Black Queen is a terrible song, because it doesn't have a catchy tune or something to dance to.
I'm a boyband fan and I don't like 'Break Free', and I don't think either that or 'Black Queen' have "something to dance to" ;)
Yeah but you're Sebastian and you always have to keep going on and on and on about your point of view.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME]you really are a clueless queen-stepford sychophantic tw*t[/QUOTE]
im a real queen fan unlike you
im a real queen fan unlike you
Mack had the "less is more" way of recording. I personally enjoy music produced by Mack. Hammer to Fall, Under Pressure, One Vision, Another One Bites the Dust were all produced by Mack.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]artemismoon wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Mack had the "less is more" way of recording. I personally enjoy music produced by Mack. Hammer to Fall, Under Pressure, One Vision, Another One Bites the Dust were all produced by Mack. [/QUOTE]
also he seems to be a very nice guy and if freddie calls someone genius he must be DAMN good
also he seems to be a very nice guy and if freddie calls someone genius he must be DAMN good
What it concern the music Freddie was perfectionist,- if I know well.
On the second disc of the Milton Keynes DVD you can find an interview from 1982 registered in Munich.Freddie said they are very contented with Mack, he is an absolute professional.
I think his conceit is enough proof.
On the second disc of the Milton Keynes DVD you can find an interview from 1982 registered in Munich.Freddie said they are very contented with Mack, he is an absolute professional.
I think his conceit is enough proof.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]artemismoon wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Mack had the "less is more" way of recording. I personally enjoy music produced by Mack. Hammer to Fall, Under Pressure, One Vision, Another One Bites the Dust were all produced by Mack. [/QUOTE]
also he seems to be a very nice guy and if freddie calls someone genius he must be DAMN good[/QUOTE]
He was just being "nice" or "modest", you know? Like you say every Queen band member is when he acknowledges other musicians and regards them as heroes or geniuses...
Back on topic, I really like the sound of The Game and I truly enjoy parts of Hot Space, but AKOM is one of my least favorite albums.
I would have said the same about The Works, but every now and then I get back to listen to it, while I NEVER listen to AKOM.
also he seems to be a very nice guy and if freddie calls someone genius he must be DAMN good[/QUOTE]
He was just being "nice" or "modest", you know? Like you say every Queen band member is when he acknowledges other musicians and regards them as heroes or geniuses...
Back on topic, I really like the sound of The Game and I truly enjoy parts of Hot Space, but AKOM is one of my least favorite albums.
I would have said the same about The Works, but every now and then I get back to listen to it, while I NEVER listen to AKOM.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mooghead wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He was the best for the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Queen had to change their sound for the 80's or disappear into oblivion, Mack was the man for the job. He did exactly what was required of him.[/QUOTE]
No question about it.
While punk killed every other glam band stone-dead, Queen survived the onslaught because they had the sense to change sound.
'The Game', 'Hot Space' and 'The Works' are all very '80's sounding albums - and just like the fashions - pop from that era was not as innovative as the eras before it.
So for me, Queen, Mack, and even the albums themselves were all victims of the time in which they created - what art is not?
Anyone remember 'Another One Bites The Dust'?
If not - it was only the biggest Queen track on the planet - ever. In terms of sale, AOBTD was even bigger than 'Bo Rhap'.
Love him - or loath him, Mack certainly was whom the band thought was THE best at the time - and at the end of the day - I think they were correct, and if we judge him in context, I think we would be sore pushed to find anyone better.
No question about it.
While punk killed every other glam band stone-dead, Queen survived the onslaught because they had the sense to change sound.
'The Game', 'Hot Space' and 'The Works' are all very '80's sounding albums - and just like the fashions - pop from that era was not as innovative as the eras before it.
So for me, Queen, Mack, and even the albums themselves were all victims of the time in which they created - what art is not?
Anyone remember 'Another One Bites The Dust'?
If not - it was only the biggest Queen track on the planet - ever. In terms of sale, AOBTD was even bigger than 'Bo Rhap'.
Love him - or loath him, Mack certainly was whom the band thought was THE best at the time - and at the end of the day - I think they were correct, and if we judge him in context, I think we would be sore pushed to find anyone better.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Wiley wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]artemismoon wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Mack had the "less is more" way of recording. I personally enjoy music produced by Mack. Hammer to Fall, Under Pressure, One Vision, Another One Bites the Dust were all produced by Mack. [/QUOTE]
also he seems to be a very nice guy and if freddie calls someone genius he must be DAMN good[/QUOTE]
He was just being "nice" or "modest", you know? Like you say every Queen band member is when he acknowledges other musicians and regards them as heroes or geniuses...
Back on topic, I really like the sound of The Game and I truly enjoy parts of Hot Space, but AKOM is one of my least favorite albums.
I would have said the same about The Works, but every now and then I get back to listen to it, while I NEVER listen to AKOM.[/QUOTE]
no, the diffrence is that freddie really meaned it but roger and brian dont. Freddie CHOSE mack to work with and wouldnt do that if he didnt think he was great.
Brian and roger just tell every crappy singer on idol that they are awesome just because they are singing queen songs and they want to keep the legacy and the name alive so they play good guys with all these talentless "singers" and to the public.
also he seems to be a very nice guy and if freddie calls someone genius he must be DAMN good[/QUOTE]
He was just being "nice" or "modest", you know? Like you say every Queen band member is when he acknowledges other musicians and regards them as heroes or geniuses...
Back on topic, I really like the sound of The Game and I truly enjoy parts of Hot Space, but AKOM is one of my least favorite albums.
I would have said the same about The Works, but every now and then I get back to listen to it, while I NEVER listen to AKOM.[/QUOTE]
no, the diffrence is that freddie really meaned it but roger and brian dont. Freddie CHOSE mack to work with and wouldnt do that if he didnt think he was great.
Brian and roger just tell every crappy singer on idol that they are awesome just because they are singing queen songs and they want to keep the legacy and the name alive so they play good guys with all these talentless "singers" and to the public.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME]you really are a clueless queen-stepford sychophantic tw*t[/QUOTE]
im a real queen fan unlike you[/QUOTE]
fuck off you cretin...i paid good money for every rare and standard release, saw the original queen five times 79-86
jusyt because i'm not a raving mentalist stepford like you - you think that because you'd love the sound of Freddie farting in a jar that makes you a better fan than me? get real...idiot
im a real queen fan unlike you[/QUOTE]
fuck off you cretin...i paid good money for every rare and standard release, saw the original queen five times 79-86
jusyt because i'm not a raving mentalist stepford like you - you think that because you'd love the sound of Freddie farting in a jar that makes you a better fan than me? get real...idiot