[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
If there's bad production on any Queen album, for me it's Innuendo. Hitman is the absolute worst sounding track on the album...[/QUOTE]
Anyone actually listen to 'White Man' on the 'Day At The Races' LP/ CD?
How anyone can hear anything beyond the tape hiss is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
I dunno man, tape hiss is a failing of the old technology.
They didn't have that excuse for Innuendo.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but when I hear a song where everything is as loud as it can be (to take advantage of all that range that CDs have) it just sounds like noise.
That's what I get out of Hitman ; white noise.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
If there's bad production on any Queen album, for me it's Innuendo. Hitman is the absolute worst sounding track on the album...[/QUOTE]
Anyone actually listen to 'White Man' on the 'Day At The Races' LP/ CD?
How anyone can hear anything beyond the tape hiss is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
If there's bad production on any Queen album, for me it's Innuendo. Hitman is the absolute worst sounding track on the album...[/QUOTE]
Anyone actually listen to 'White Man' on the 'Day At The Races' LP/ CD?
How anyone can hear anything beyond the tape hiss is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
ANATO and ADATR are very similar albums: overproduced, lots of harmonies etc. However, NOTW is a lot rawer and could well be their best album (if SHA didn't exist).
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
If there's bad production on any Queen album, for me it's Innuendo. Hitman is the absolute worst sounding track on the album, which is a pity because the song itself could've been kick-ass. The sound is just... blurrrgh. I always have to tinker with the EQ in iTunes to make it tolerable and it still doesn't help.[/QUOTE]
It's amazing how taste differs. I always thought Innuendo sounded crystal clear and absolutely perfect.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...
I didn't like the drum sound much on most of the songs, and as I said, Hitman suffers. It sounds like it's coming out of a cheap radio.
It's funny you mention taste, because as far as the songs themselves go, Innuendo is probably my second favourite Queen album. I'm only saying - the production was a turn-off for me.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, taste was probably a bit of an assumption on my part. However, I'm listening to the song right now and can honestly say I enjoy the production. 'The Hitman' is a heavy metal composition and that in itself makes it loud and sometimes difficult to listen to over and over again for some people. It's the loudest and heaviest track on the album. That's all I get from it, nothing about the production. But, I'm not taunting you for finding the production a turn-off. You may think so.
If there's bad production on any Queen album, for me it's Innuendo. Hitman is the absolute worst sounding track on the album, which is a pity because the song itself could've been kick-ass. The sound is just... blurrrgh. I always have to tinker with the EQ in iTunes to make it tolerable and it still doesn't help.[/QUOTE]
It's amazing how taste differs. I always thought Innuendo sounded crystal clear and absolutely perfect.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...
I didn't like the drum sound much on most of the songs, and as I said, Hitman suffers. It sounds like it's coming out of a cheap radio.
It's funny you mention taste, because as far as the songs themselves go, Innuendo is probably my second favourite Queen album. I'm only saying - the production was a turn-off for me.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, taste was probably a bit of an assumption on my part. However, I'm listening to the song right now and can honestly say I enjoy the production. 'The Hitman' is a heavy metal composition and that in itself makes it loud and sometimes difficult to listen to over and over again for some people. It's the loudest and heaviest track on the album. That's all I get from it, nothing about the production. But, I'm not taunting you for finding the production a turn-off. You may think so.
Nah, not at all,
I guess I was a bigger fan of the old-school idea of 'heavy' when it comes to Queen. To me the 70's way of doing the instruments always sounded bigger; volume on the track has little to do with it, as one can always just turn the stereo up!
Cheers
I guess I was a bigger fan of the old-school idea of 'heavy' when it comes to Queen. To me the 70's way of doing the instruments always sounded bigger; volume on the track has little to do with it, as one can always just turn the stereo up!
Cheers
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]That's right Treasure Moment.
And the Jingle Bells by the singing dogs is a good song, too!
Interesting how you think Innuendo is their best album... the one with the least amount of input from Freddie.
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I wouldn't say Innuendo is the album with the least amount of input from Freddie. Why do you think that?
And the Jingle Bells by the singing dogs is a good song, too!
Interesting how you think Innuendo is their best album... the one with the least amount of input from Freddie.
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I wouldn't say Innuendo is the album with the least amount of input from Freddie. Why do you think that?
On the Innuendo album, I don't think any of the songs are filler. Delilah is actually a serious song I think, to Freddie, but maybe not to a lot of fans. Freddie had some guts to record that song. Not many men would. It took a gay one to do it.
I love all the songs on Innuendo. I actually think there's a lot more filler on other stuff like Jazz and News Of The World and A Night At The Opera. Some of John's early stuff (Who Needs You, Misfire), sound like filler. Roger's early songs really didn't get too much attention either. Some of Brian and Freddie's stuff was filler as well.
With Innuendo, it's like this one big perfect album. As for 'The Hitman', I think it'd of been better if it was more raw, instead of mixed to sound raw. I think the music could of been improved as well. But I like that song. I like most of their 80s and 90s stuff. Most of their 70s stuff too. But I think they had more filler in the 70s than any decade.
I love all the songs on Innuendo. I actually think there's a lot more filler on other stuff like Jazz and News Of The World and A Night At The Opera. Some of John's early stuff (Who Needs You, Misfire), sound like filler. Roger's early songs really didn't get too much attention either. Some of Brian and Freddie's stuff was filler as well.
With Innuendo, it's like this one big perfect album. As for 'The Hitman', I think it'd of been better if it was more raw, instead of mixed to sound raw. I think the music could of been improved as well. But I like that song. I like most of their 80s and 90s stuff. Most of their 70s stuff too. But I think they had more filler in the 70s than any decade.
It depends on your definition of filler. Was the 'filler' song intended to be thus, or is it just what we call it because we don't think it belongs on the album??
Delilah is the perfect example. A lot of people dismiss it as filler because it's there in the midst of more grim songs. Of course, it wasn't a filler song to Freddie - he defied the others (Roger, anyway) in having it on the album.
So when you say the 70's had more filler than any other period for Queen, do you mean they wrote songs back then simply to top up the length of the album, or are some of the songs too whimsical in nature when compared to their other work?
Delilah is the perfect example. A lot of people dismiss it as filler because it's there in the midst of more grim songs. Of course, it wasn't a filler song to Freddie - he defied the others (Roger, anyway) in having it on the album.
So when you say the 70's had more filler than any other period for Queen, do you mean they wrote songs back then simply to top up the length of the album, or are some of the songs too whimsical in nature when compared to their other work?
Innuendo is the greatest album of all time forever, its not from this world
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]! Jake ! wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I wouldn't say Innuendo is the album with the least amount of input from Freddie. Why do you think that?[/QUOTE]
Well, for one, Freddie was not around too much. Sure he wrote some songs at home and came in to sing his parts, in the time he was allowed to due to failing health.
This was totally different than previous albums. Look at all the documentaries of Queen in the studio. Freddie is always at the console, always on mic, always leading the backing vocals, etc.
Obviously Brian took the reigns, along with much more input from John and Roger this time.
Plus, I think that put the other 3 in a strange position. Could you 'nix' one of Freddie's tracks? How could you tell him that "the three of us decided Delilah was not good enough to make the album, we're gonna use Lost Opportunity instead".
Was the material that weak that Brian decided to let the band use Headlong, instead of including that on Back To The Light?
I don't know, that's how I interpreted Innuendo. Now imagine if Mack was on that instead? None of those overly gated snare drums, crisper punchier bass, now that would have been something!
Well, for one, Freddie was not around too much. Sure he wrote some songs at home and came in to sing his parts, in the time he was allowed to due to failing health.
This was totally different than previous albums. Look at all the documentaries of Queen in the studio. Freddie is always at the console, always on mic, always leading the backing vocals, etc.
Obviously Brian took the reigns, along with much more input from John and Roger this time.
Plus, I think that put the other 3 in a strange position. Could you 'nix' one of Freddie's tracks? How could you tell him that "the three of us decided Delilah was not good enough to make the album, we're gonna use Lost Opportunity instead".
Was the material that weak that Brian decided to let the band use Headlong, instead of including that on Back To The Light?
I don't know, that's how I interpreted Innuendo. Now imagine if Mack was on that instead? None of those overly gated snare drums, crisper punchier bass, now that would have been something!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Innuendo is the greatest album of all time forever, its not from this world[/QUOTE]
If it's not from this world, are you suggesting that Queen are reptilians?
Queen, boxcar willie, bill oddie... who's next?
If it's not from this world, are you suggesting that Queen are reptilians?
Queen, boxcar willie, bill oddie... who's next?
I quick researched each track in order to decipher who wrote what exactly.
Innuendo:
This track started out as a jam session at Mountain Studios among Brian, Roger, and John. Freddie improvised the lyrics. The final version would feature revised lyrics by Roger, which were also refined by the others including Freddie.
I'm Going Slightly Mad:
This track is purely a Freddie track as it relates to earlier tracks like 'Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy' and 'Seaside Rendezvous'. It's as far from typical rock as possible; a Freddie trademark. It's been said that Freddie started to write the song while entering a dementia state, which is fairly common among AIDS patients. Brian May said, "That was very much a Freddie track and you tend to want to give the author his head even though we said that everything is by Queen, there was still somebody who was basically the original author and everyone else worked on it."
Headlong:
It was Brian's intention of including this song on his solo album, Back to the Light. Therefore, it's a Brian track with some input by the other members.
I Can't Live With You:
This track is also a track that Brian had originally planned for use on his solo album, Back to the Light. Therefore, once again, it's a Brian track with some input by the other members.
Don't Try So Hard:
Some rumours say John was the creator of this track; however, David Richards recently revealed that the song was the work of Brian and Freddie. There has been no confirmation by the band, so until then it remains to be a Queen track with a question mark.
Ride The Wild Wind:
This is most probably a Roger track as it's been used during his solo performances.
All God's People:
This track was written by Freddie and Mike Moran in 1987 and originally intended for Barcelona, with the original title 'Africa By Night'.
These Are The Days of Our Lives:
There is no doubt this song was written by Roger and is obviously a heartfelt tribute to Freddie.
Delilah:
This song is obviously another Freddie track as it's about his favorite cat.
The Hitman:
This song was originally written by Freddie on the keyboards; however, Freddie gave it to John who restructured the track (while keeping true to the original riff which is a Freddie riff). Brian also changed the key to make it playable on the guitar.
Bijou:
This is a duet between Freddie and Brian.
The Show Must Go On:
Contrary to belief, Brian wrote this song.
Innuendo:
This track started out as a jam session at Mountain Studios among Brian, Roger, and John. Freddie improvised the lyrics. The final version would feature revised lyrics by Roger, which were also refined by the others including Freddie.
I'm Going Slightly Mad:
This track is purely a Freddie track as it relates to earlier tracks like 'Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy' and 'Seaside Rendezvous'. It's as far from typical rock as possible; a Freddie trademark. It's been said that Freddie started to write the song while entering a dementia state, which is fairly common among AIDS patients. Brian May said, "That was very much a Freddie track and you tend to want to give the author his head even though we said that everything is by Queen, there was still somebody who was basically the original author and everyone else worked on it."
Headlong:
It was Brian's intention of including this song on his solo album, Back to the Light. Therefore, it's a Brian track with some input by the other members.
I Can't Live With You:
This track is also a track that Brian had originally planned for use on his solo album, Back to the Light. Therefore, once again, it's a Brian track with some input by the other members.
Don't Try So Hard:
Some rumours say John was the creator of this track; however, David Richards recently revealed that the song was the work of Brian and Freddie. There has been no confirmation by the band, so until then it remains to be a Queen track with a question mark.
Ride The Wild Wind:
This is most probably a Roger track as it's been used during his solo performances.
All God's People:
This track was written by Freddie and Mike Moran in 1987 and originally intended for Barcelona, with the original title 'Africa By Night'.
These Are The Days of Our Lives:
There is no doubt this song was written by Roger and is obviously a heartfelt tribute to Freddie.
Delilah:
This song is obviously another Freddie track as it's about his favorite cat.
The Hitman:
This song was originally written by Freddie on the keyboards; however, Freddie gave it to John who restructured the track (while keeping true to the original riff which is a Freddie riff). Brian also changed the key to make it playable on the guitar.
Bijou:
This is a duet between Freddie and Brian.
The Show Must Go On:
Contrary to belief, Brian wrote this song.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Don't Try So Hard:
Some rumours say John was the creator of this track; however, David Richards recently revealed that the song was the work of Brian and Freddie. There has been no confirmation by the band, so until then it remains to be a Queen track with a question mark.[/QUOTE]
Wrong: Bri confirmed (Q Mag 2004) that Fred penned it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Ride The Wild Wind:
This is most probably a Roger track as it's been used during his solo performances.[/QUOTE]
So were 'Break Free', 'Show Must Go On' and 'We Will Rock You', and he didn't write any of them. OTOH both the song structure, harmony and quotes (from the producer and Dr May) point to Roger.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The Show Must Go On:
Contrary to belief, Brian wrote this song.[/QUOTE]
Sort of ... he wrote the lyrics and melody, and organised the arrangement. But the sequence (which is 90% of the song) was composed by John and Roger.
Don't Try So Hard:
Some rumours say John was the creator of this track; however, David Richards recently revealed that the song was the work of Brian and Freddie. There has been no confirmation by the band, so until then it remains to be a Queen track with a question mark.[/QUOTE]
Wrong: Bri confirmed (Q Mag 2004) that Fred penned it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Ride The Wild Wind:
This is most probably a Roger track as it's been used during his solo performances.[/QUOTE]
So were 'Break Free', 'Show Must Go On' and 'We Will Rock You', and he didn't write any of them. OTOH both the song structure, harmony and quotes (from the producer and Dr May) point to Roger.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The Show Must Go On:
Contrary to belief, Brian wrote this song.[/QUOTE]
Sort of ... he wrote the lyrics and melody, and organised the arrangement. But the sequence (which is 90% of the song) was composed by John and Roger.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Don't Try So Hard:
Some rumours say John was the creator of this track; however, David Richards recently revealed that the song was the work of Brian and Freddie. There has been no confirmation by the band, so until then it remains to be a Queen track with a question mark.[/QUOTE]
Wrong: Bri confirmed (Q Mag 2004) that Fred penned it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Ride The Wild Wind:
This is most probably a Roger track as it's been used during his solo performances.[/QUOTE]
So were 'Break Free', 'Show Must Go On' and 'We Will Rock You', and he didn't write any of them. OTOH both the song structure, harmony and quotes (from the producer and Dr May) point to Roger.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The Show Must Go On:
Contrary to belief, Brian wrote this song.[/QUOTE]
Sort of ... he wrote the lyrics and melody, and organised the arrangement. But the sequence (which is 90% of the song) was composed by John and Roger.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your input and corrections.
Don't Try So Hard:
Some rumours say John was the creator of this track; however, David Richards recently revealed that the song was the work of Brian and Freddie. There has been no confirmation by the band, so until then it remains to be a Queen track with a question mark.[/QUOTE]
Wrong: Bri confirmed (Q Mag 2004) that Fred penned it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Ride The Wild Wind:
This is most probably a Roger track as it's been used during his solo performances.[/QUOTE]
So were 'Break Free', 'Show Must Go On' and 'We Will Rock You', and he didn't write any of them. OTOH both the song structure, harmony and quotes (from the producer and Dr May) point to Roger.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The Show Must Go On:
Contrary to belief, Brian wrote this song.[/QUOTE]
Sort of ... he wrote the lyrics and melody, and organised the arrangement. But the sequence (which is 90% of the song) was composed by John and Roger.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your input and corrections.
I don't know if he is a bad producer, but I prefer Roy Baker. Mack turns Queen's sound more simplier ond poppy in my opinion. I don't like the drums sound, and the bass is very low too. But it's not all Mack fault's, the band decreased their creativity in the eighties too.