[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]olly1988 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I thought the production on the Works was good. It was crisp, fresh sounding and had some very original drum sounds. I personally thought Mack was one that helped Queen get out of the rut that albums like 'News of the World' has got them into.[/QUOTE]
How did NOTW get them in a rut?????????
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]DavidRFuller wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mooghead wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He was the best for the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Queen had to change their sound for the 80's or disappear into oblivion, Mack was the man for the job. He did exactly what was required of him.[/QUOTE]
I Agree[/QUOTE]
True that...
When the works came out, it a was great fucking album... clear, fresh and chrisp. ... just about 80 from the 80's had dated, so
I Agree[/QUOTE]
True that...
When the works came out, it a was great fucking album... clear, fresh and chrisp. ... just about 80 from the 80's had dated, so
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Love him - or loath him, Mack certainly was whom the band thought was THE best at the time - and at the end of the day - I think they were correct, and if we judge him in context, I think we would be sore pushed to find anyone better.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you.
I remember an interview were Mack stated that the album he was most proud of was "Hot Space" because it was put toghether almost without the four members being in the studio at the same time. The album sounds great as sounds "the Game", but the songs were not written by him, even though i like the albums.
The first time Spike reharsed with the band for the works tour he realised that they had never played the song "IWTBF" toghether.
Mack did what he could, and under those circunstances i think he did extremelly well.
Take care
Love him - or loath him, Mack certainly was whom the band thought was THE best at the time - and at the end of the day - I think they were correct, and if we judge him in context, I think we would be sore pushed to find anyone better.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you.
I remember an interview were Mack stated that the album he was most proud of was "Hot Space" because it was put toghether almost without the four members being in the studio at the same time. The album sounds great as sounds "the Game", but the songs were not written by him, even though i like the albums.
The first time Spike reharsed with the band for the works tour he realised that they had never played the song "IWTBF" toghether.
Mack did what he could, and under those circunstances i think he did extremelly well.
Take care
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]lyricalassasin77 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I find it hilarious that the guy above said they was mediocre songwriters in the 80's but to slight their PERFORMING abilities through the 80's when they put on some of their greatest shows ever just dismisses this guy for real.[/QUOTE]
are you talking about me? since i like queens 80s material plus 90s to be their best[/QUOTE]
hahaha to guys here who I used to argue the fuck out of, now all together...
eheh
anyway T.M... I dont think L.A is talking bout you,,, talking bout the fact that this dude said queen were more or less shit in the 80's...and wrong he was..
are you talking about me? since i like queens 80s material plus 90s to be their best[/QUOTE]
hahaha to guys here who I used to argue the fuck out of, now all together...
eheh
anyway T.M... I dont think L.A is talking bout you,,, talking bout the fact that this dude said queen were more or less shit in the 80's...and wrong he was..
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]write your letters in the sand wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen and specially Freddie cant write bad music[/QUOTE]
Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?[/QUOTE]
have you been on your death bed in pain knowing you have months to live trying to bust out tunes on borrowed time???
Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?[/QUOTE]
have you been on your death bed in pain knowing you have months to live trying to bust out tunes on borrowed time???
So Queen wasn't mediocre during the 70s, which means they were just perfect back then.
Yet I see countless number of performances from the old days where Freddie runs out of air on bits, and he fucked up big time on 'Death On Two Legs' at Earls Court, slipping out a horrendously bad rooster like scream.
Personally I find that during the 70s Freddie made Queen live shows more about entertaining rather than the actual music, that's why he was so into those fuckin ridiculous stage outfits. I'm glad that by the 80s he wasn't so much into the make up and what kind of shit the band wears on stage. In the old days John for once wasn't very happy about Freddie telling him what to wear, and he was damn right about that.
Point is, musicians are human beings. They make mistakes just like everybody else, and they never seem to make everybody happy. I agree that Freddie's songwriting abilities declined in the 80s, but for the most part Brian, Roger, and John kept writing good songs.
Yet I see countless number of performances from the old days where Freddie runs out of air on bits, and he fucked up big time on 'Death On Two Legs' at Earls Court, slipping out a horrendously bad rooster like scream.
Personally I find that during the 70s Freddie made Queen live shows more about entertaining rather than the actual music, that's why he was so into those fuckin ridiculous stage outfits. I'm glad that by the 80s he wasn't so much into the make up and what kind of shit the band wears on stage. In the old days John for once wasn't very happy about Freddie telling him what to wear, and he was damn right about that.
Point is, musicians are human beings. They make mistakes just like everybody else, and they never seem to make everybody happy. I agree that Freddie's songwriting abilities declined in the 80s, but for the most part Brian, Roger, and John kept writing good songs.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Point is, musicians are human beings. They make mistakes just like everybody else, and they never seem to make everybody happy. I agree that Freddie's songwriting abilities declined in the 80s, but for the most part Brian, Roger, and John kept writing good songs.[/QUOTE]
Quoted for truth. "Freddie's songwriting abilities declined in the 80s", true as it is, will make the stepfords go into a frenzy though.
Quoted for truth. "Freddie's songwriting abilities declined in the 80s", true as it is, will make the stepfords go into a frenzy though.
Fred Mercury was a member of Queen??? I didn't know that!!! We should have a topic about that too. Who's Mack? I hear Fred was a homoseksual? Does his homoseksuality have something to do with the way he sounds?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]...ASSDUDE.... wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]write your letters in the sand wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen and specially Freddie cant write bad music[/QUOTE]
Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?[/QUOTE]
have you been on your death bed in pain knowing you have months to live trying to bust out tunes on borrowed time???[/QUOTE]
doesn't make it a GOOD SONG though. you don't say "oh well that performance by Man Utd was excellent" if they just lost 4-0
Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?[/QUOTE]
have you been on your death bed in pain knowing you have months to live trying to bust out tunes on borrowed time???[/QUOTE]
doesn't make it a GOOD SONG though. you don't say "oh well that performance by Man Utd was excellent" if they just lost 4-0
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]...ASSDUDE.... wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]write your letters in the sand wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen and specially Freddie cant write bad music[/QUOTE]
Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?[/QUOTE]
have you been on your death bed in pain knowing you have months to live trying to bust out tunes on borrowed time???[/QUOTE]
doesn't make it a GOOD SONG though. you don't say "oh well that performance by Man Utd was excellent" if they just lost 4-0[/QUOTE]
Let's be honest about 'Delilah' for a moment.
It's not the worst Queen song, but it's way too silly to be put on a Queen album. The only reason why 'Delilah' made the final cut to Innuendo is because it's hard to say "NO" to a man with a foot on the grave.
Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?[/QUOTE]
have you been on your death bed in pain knowing you have months to live trying to bust out tunes on borrowed time???[/QUOTE]
doesn't make it a GOOD SONG though. you don't say "oh well that performance by Man Utd was excellent" if they just lost 4-0[/QUOTE]
Let's be honest about 'Delilah' for a moment.
It's not the worst Queen song, but it's way too silly to be put on a Queen album. The only reason why 'Delilah' made the final cut to Innuendo is because it's hard to say "NO" to a man with a foot on the grave.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Having somebody like Freddie penning 'Body Language' is mediocre.[/QUOTE]
And that's very delicately put ;)
Having somebody like Freddie penning 'Body Language' is mediocre.[/QUOTE]
And that's very delicately put ;)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]lyricalassasin77 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I find it hilarious that the guy above said they was mediocre songwriters in the 80's but to slight their PERFORMING abilities through the 80's when they put on some of their greatest shows ever just dismisses this guy for real.[/QUOTE]
UM NO......scroll above and you will see whom I'm talking about
UM NO......scroll above and you will see whom I'm talking about
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]...ASSDUDE.... wrote: [/QUOTENAME]How did NOTW get them in a rut?????????[/QUOTE]
Because it sounded like the last album. Kinda like Jazz did, too. Not that they weren't good albums, but those last four were starting to sound alike.
Mack, as John Stuart said, brought this band thru a rather strange music change in the late 70s/early 80s. And with flying colors. Not only did their old fans tag along, they reached a new generation. Not too many 70s bands were able to do that.
I mean, what did Roy Thomas Baker do that was so groundbreaking after Bohemian Rhapsody? And wasn't a lot of that Bohemian buzz due in part to Freddie?
Mack's production earned Queen more fans than they had ever had before, brought them into the world of film scoring, and had success with other artists in addition to Queen. So, that sucks? I don't think so.
Because it sounded like the last album. Kinda like Jazz did, too. Not that they weren't good albums, but those last four were starting to sound alike.
Mack, as John Stuart said, brought this band thru a rather strange music change in the late 70s/early 80s. And with flying colors. Not only did their old fans tag along, they reached a new generation. Not too many 70s bands were able to do that.
I mean, what did Roy Thomas Baker do that was so groundbreaking after Bohemian Rhapsody? And wasn't a lot of that Bohemian buzz due in part to Freddie?
Mack's production earned Queen more fans than they had ever had before, brought them into the world of film scoring, and had success with other artists in addition to Queen. So, that sucks? I don't think so.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]olly1988 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I thought the production on the Works was good. It was crisp, fresh sounding and had some very original drum sounds. I personally thought Mack was one that helped Queen get out of the rut that albums like 'News of the World' has got them into.[/QUOTE]
sorry, but i disagree. NOTW and Jazz actually sounded like there had been some production applied to them.
Works sounds empty - almost like the band recorded it themselves...it has that "empty theatre, rehearsal sound" to it
i really hate it - the sound, not the songs[/QUOTE]
Its completely subjective. I don't like NOTW and hate Jazz, it sounds like it was recorded live, awful production and too rushed (although contains Freddie's best song so....)
sorry, but i disagree. NOTW and Jazz actually sounded like there had been some production applied to them.
Works sounds empty - almost like the band recorded it themselves...it has that "empty theatre, rehearsal sound" to it
i really hate it - the sound, not the songs[/QUOTE]
Its completely subjective. I don't like NOTW and hate Jazz, it sounds like it was recorded live, awful production and too rushed (although contains Freddie's best song so....)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME]you really are a clueless queen-stepford sychophantic tw*t[/QUOTE]
im a real queen fan unlike you[/QUOTE]
A real Queen fan forms opinions and isn't a fawning arse licker. I left the 'other' queen site coz of all the vomit inducing 'I think ALL Queen songs are the best' brigade. Body Language is a disgrace, its not even so bad its good. Same with Delilah. Bicycle Race is nearly there.
im a real queen fan unlike you[/QUOTE]
A real Queen fan forms opinions and isn't a fawning arse licker. I left the 'other' queen site coz of all the vomit inducing 'I think ALL Queen songs are the best' brigade. Body Language is a disgrace, its not even so bad its good. Same with Delilah. Bicycle Race is nearly there.