I think you guys are underestimating human apathy. Yeah, it sucks that there's no great Queen product coming any time soon, but really; how many people give that much of a toss? Certainly not enough to send a message to the guys up top, at any rate.
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[b]vadenuez wrote: [/b]
[i].....They simply wanted to offer a Singles set, not their life's work.[/i]"
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Am I reading between the lines? Does that imply the band considers their body of work as "Queen" is not yet complete?
[b]vadenuez wrote: [/b]
[i].....They simply wanted to offer a Singles set, not their life's work.[/i]"
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Am I reading between the lines? Does that imply the band considers their body of work as "Queen" is not yet complete?
I used to buy anything with the queen name on it, but not anymore. Those days are over. I have no desire to spend my money on another greatest hits package, it's a shame it has come to this. How many 80's concerts do we need on DVD before we get something from the 70's?....I don't even care about that, but this whole singles boxset drives me crazy. Give us a real boxset with rarities and other goodies.
I agree John, but I do not believe that Queen/QPL gives a rats ass about customer satisfaction and releasing any significant archive material. There are several easy excuses as to why archive material will likely never be released:
[listu] [li]It is just too easy for Queen to ignore the cries of, at most, a few thousand unhappy fans. [li]Queen seemingly has an endless supply of knuckle-headed completist hardcore fans that will buy any piece of shit that has the Queen name on it. [li]Recycled Greatest Hit packages do sell and are cheap to manufacture. [li]The profit margins and return on investment for an archive box set do not compare to a recycled box set of 13 two song CD's ($$ John Deacon). [li]Queen will not release unpolished archive material or imperfect live material from the 70's (Brian). [li]Queen are too lazy to seriously review the work put in by their archivist (Roger). [li]Queen are too hard-headed, and will not allow themselves to be bullied into releasing archive material. [/listu]
[listu] [li]It is just too easy for Queen to ignore the cries of, at most, a few thousand unhappy fans. [li]Queen seemingly has an endless supply of knuckle-headed completist hardcore fans that will buy any piece of shit that has the Queen name on it. [li]Recycled Greatest Hit packages do sell and are cheap to manufacture. [li]The profit margins and return on investment for an archive box set do not compare to a recycled box set of 13 two song CD's ($$ John Deacon). [li]Queen will not release unpolished archive material or imperfect live material from the 70's (Brian). [li]Queen are too lazy to seriously review the work put in by their archivist (Roger). [li]Queen are too hard-headed, and will not allow themselves to be bullied into releasing archive material. [/listu]
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[b]Panchgani wrote: [/b]
I agree John, but I do not believe that Queen/QPL gives a rats ass about customer satisfaction and releasing any significant archive material. There are several easy excuses as to why archive material will likely never be released:
[listu] [li]It is just too easy for Queen to ignore the cries of, at most, a few thousand unhappy fans. [li]Queen seemingly has an endless supply of knuckle-headed completist hardcore fans that will buy any piece of shit that has the Queen name on it. [li]Recycled Greatest Hit packages do sell and are cheap to manufacture. [li]The profit margins and return on investment for an archive box set do not compare to a recycled box set of 13 two song CD's ($$ John Deacon). [li]Queen will not release unpolished archive material or imperfect live material from the 70's (Brian). [li]Queen are too lazy to seriously review the work put in by their archivist (Roger). [/listu] [/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure a rarities boxset wouldn't sell, that's all they need is one interesting unreleased song as a marketing tool (think of the beatles boxset "free as a bird") and The long version of Bo Rhap could be another huge selling point.
[b]Panchgani wrote: [/b]
I agree John, but I do not believe that Queen/QPL gives a rats ass about customer satisfaction and releasing any significant archive material. There are several easy excuses as to why archive material will likely never be released:
[listu] [li]It is just too easy for Queen to ignore the cries of, at most, a few thousand unhappy fans. [li]Queen seemingly has an endless supply of knuckle-headed completist hardcore fans that will buy any piece of shit that has the Queen name on it. [li]Recycled Greatest Hit packages do sell and are cheap to manufacture. [li]The profit margins and return on investment for an archive box set do not compare to a recycled box set of 13 two song CD's ($$ John Deacon). [li]Queen will not release unpolished archive material or imperfect live material from the 70's (Brian). [li]Queen are too lazy to seriously review the work put in by their archivist (Roger). [/listu] [/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure a rarities boxset wouldn't sell, that's all they need is one interesting unreleased song as a marketing tool (think of the beatles boxset "free as a bird") and The long version of Bo Rhap could be another huge selling point.
Nah ... it is not a guaranteed money maker. Queen have not taken a serious risk since 1982 when they got burned by Hot Space.
Also, Free as a Bird was over-rated, and was a sub-standard (although worthwhile) Beatle's release. Granted the Beatle's archive material was imperfect but brilliant, but I do not think that Queen has the balls to put out imperfect, although interesting and desirable, archive material.
Also, Free as a Bird was over-rated, and was a sub-standard (although worthwhile) Beatle's release. Granted the Beatle's archive material was imperfect but brilliant, but I do not think that Queen has the balls to put out imperfect, although interesting and desirable, archive material.
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[b]mike hunt wrote: [/b]
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[b]Panchgani wrote: [/b]
I agree John, but I do not believe that Queen/QPL gives a rats ass about customer satisfaction and releasing any significant archive material. There are several easy excuses as to why archive material will likely never be released:
[listu] [li]It is just too easy for Queen to ignore the cries of, at most, a few thousand unhappy fans. [li]Queen seemingly has an endless supply of knuckle-headed completist hardcore fans that will buy any piece of shit that has the Queen name on it. [li]Recycled Greatest Hit packages do sell and are cheap to manufacture. [li]The profit margins and return on investment for an archive box set do not compare to a recycled box set of 13 two song CD's ($$ John Deacon). [li]Queen will not release unpolished archive material or imperfect live material from the 70's (Brian). [li]Queen are too lazy to seriously review the work put in by their archivist (Roger). [/listu] [/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure a rarities boxset wouldn't sell, that's all they need is one interesting unreleased song as a marketing tool (think of the beatles boxset "free as a bird") and The long version of Bo Rhap could be another huge selling point.
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Umm, I'm sure you're being sarcastic, but I think the Beatles Anthology had more unreleased rarities than just "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" :P
Also, I take it you never downloaded the jumbled mess that is the BohRap multitracks.
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[b]Panchgani wrote: [/b]
I agree John, but I do not believe that Queen/QPL gives a rats ass about customer satisfaction and releasing any significant archive material. There are several easy excuses as to why archive material will likely never be released:
[listu] [li]It is just too easy for Queen to ignore the cries of, at most, a few thousand unhappy fans. [li]Queen seemingly has an endless supply of knuckle-headed completist hardcore fans that will buy any piece of shit that has the Queen name on it. [li]Recycled Greatest Hit packages do sell and are cheap to manufacture. [li]The profit margins and return on investment for an archive box set do not compare to a recycled box set of 13 two song CD's ($$ John Deacon). [li]Queen will not release unpolished archive material or imperfect live material from the 70's (Brian). [li]Queen are too lazy to seriously review the work put in by their archivist (Roger). [/listu] [/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure a rarities boxset wouldn't sell, that's all they need is one interesting unreleased song as a marketing tool (think of the beatles boxset "free as a bird") and The long version of Bo Rhap could be another huge selling point.
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Umm, I'm sure you're being sarcastic, but I think the Beatles Anthology had more unreleased rarities than just "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" :P
Also, I take it you never downloaded the jumbled mess that is the BohRap multitracks.
John..An excellent post, well written & balanced.
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[b]mike hunt wrote: [/b]
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[b]Panchgani wrote: [/b]
I agree John, but I do not believe that Queen/QPL gives a rats ass about customer satisfaction and releasing any significant archive material. There are several easy excuses as to why archive material will likely never be released:
[listu] [li]It is just too easy for Queen to ignore the cries of, at most, a few thousand unhappy fans. [li]Queen seemingly has an endless supply of knuckle-headed completist hardcore fans that will buy any piece of shit that has the Queen name on it. [li]Recycled Greatest Hit packages do sell and are cheap to manufacture. [li]The profit margins and return on investment for an archive box set do not compare to a recycled box set of 13 two song CD's ($$ John Deacon). [li]Queen will not release unpolished archive material or imperfect live material from the 70's (Brian). [li]Queen are too lazy to seriously review the work put in by their archivist (Roger). [/listu] [/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure a rarities boxset wouldn't sell, that's all they need is one interesting unreleased song as a marketing tool (think of the beatles boxset "free as a bird") and The long version of Bo Rhap could be another huge selling point.
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Umm, I'm sure you're being sarcastic, but I think the Beatles Anthology had more unreleased rarities than just "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" :P
Also, I take it you never downloaded the jumbled mess that is the BohRap multitracks.
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I'm not being sarcastic at all, and no never heard the bo rhap multitracks. How do you know the boxest wouldn't have a lot of interesting rarities?...You don't know. It could be a big seller, it's not out of the question. It could also flop.
[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]
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[b]mike hunt wrote: [/b]
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[b]Panchgani wrote: [/b]
I agree John, but I do not believe that Queen/QPL gives a rats ass about customer satisfaction and releasing any significant archive material. There are several easy excuses as to why archive material will likely never be released:
[listu] [li]It is just too easy for Queen to ignore the cries of, at most, a few thousand unhappy fans. [li]Queen seemingly has an endless supply of knuckle-headed completist hardcore fans that will buy any piece of shit that has the Queen name on it. [li]Recycled Greatest Hit packages do sell and are cheap to manufacture. [li]The profit margins and return on investment for an archive box set do not compare to a recycled box set of 13 two song CD's ($$ John Deacon). [li]Queen will not release unpolished archive material or imperfect live material from the 70's (Brian). [li]Queen are too lazy to seriously review the work put in by their archivist (Roger). [/listu] [/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure a rarities boxset wouldn't sell, that's all they need is one interesting unreleased song as a marketing tool (think of the beatles boxset "free as a bird") and The long version of Bo Rhap could be another huge selling point.
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Umm, I'm sure you're being sarcastic, but I think the Beatles Anthology had more unreleased rarities than just "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" :P
Also, I take it you never downloaded the jumbled mess that is the BohRap multitracks.
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I'm not being sarcastic at all, and no never heard the bo rhap multitracks. How do you know the boxest wouldn't have a lot of interesting rarities?...You don't know. It could be a big seller, it's not out of the question. It could also flop.
Yeah, I heard the Bo Rhap multitracks, but they will never see the "official" light of day, as they are too interesting and enjoyable for Queen to release. Remember, the leaking of those tracks put QZ into hot water with QPL.
Also realize, because the archive "rare" material is imperfect, Queen will never have the balls to release it.
Also realize, because the archive "rare" material is imperfect, Queen will never have the balls to release it.
are the multitracks the one heard on "the making of Anato" dvd?...if that's it, then yes I heard them, and loved every second of it.
Well done perfect
Yes yes If we don't buy such the same always the same releases ...remastered versions;;;; reremastered versions;;;;;mastered of remastered versions;;;;; cd singles of b sides ( I have already began to hate the b sides)
Democracy wil surely return to the paying customer.We must show our reaction for not being to buy such things
Yes yes If we don't buy such the same always the same releases ...remastered versions;;;; reremastered versions;;;;;mastered of remastered versions;;;;; cd singles of b sides ( I have already began to hate the b sides)
Democracy wil surely return to the paying customer.We must show our reaction for not being to buy such things
Great letter, John! I loved the watch metaphor :)
Anyway, I think Brian is the crucial factor in this matter. In my mind, he is the one making the final decisions. We all know he is a perfectionist, which means that gigs like EC, HP, Houston etc. will never see the light of day as those have all kinds of flaws. On the other hand, I can't really give a fair opinion about the HP concert as the bootleg video isn't really representative. Nevertheless, that concert was very important for Queen's career and an official release would be very welcome! We all know it will never happen, but fantasizing keeps you young (well sort of!).
I think the truly great releases will come when Brian dies. Sounds harsh, but that's just my point of view.
As Niek already pointed out in another thread: it's a hard to be a Queen fan. The initial ideas are often very promising, but the end result is often (rather) disappointing. It's a repetitive cycle which needs to be broken one day. The question is: when?
Anyway, I think Brian is the crucial factor in this matter. In my mind, he is the one making the final decisions. We all know he is a perfectionist, which means that gigs like EC, HP, Houston etc. will never see the light of day as those have all kinds of flaws. On the other hand, I can't really give a fair opinion about the HP concert as the bootleg video isn't really representative. Nevertheless, that concert was very important for Queen's career and an official release would be very welcome! We all know it will never happen, but fantasizing keeps you young (well sort of!).
I think the truly great releases will come when Brian dies. Sounds harsh, but that's just my point of view.
As Niek already pointed out in another thread: it's a hard to be a Queen fan. The initial ideas are often very promising, but the end result is often (rather) disappointing. It's a repetitive cycle which needs to be broken one day. The question is: when?
Hi John,
Again, can't fault the logic here.
What I struggle with is QPL's complete lack of interest in listening to what the more serious fans / collectors have to say. Of course they're in a position of strength in terms of being the controlling factor in what does or does not come out. However, *SURELY* you'd have thought that they were thinking outside of the box (no pun intended) and looking to get the very best possible ideas to them from the best sources. If Greg was the funnel for that feedback, then more's the better, but there simply appears to be no interest in anyone outside of "the masses" who will happily settle for another collection with WWRY / WATC on it.
The catalogue looks and sounds increasingly tired these days when compared to other "name" bands. The Beatles are about to go through a huge re-issue programme. The Who, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin etc have done it already. As a result, I can't remember the last time I listened to any Queen material having listened to virtually nothing BUT Queen from '79-'89 - I used to care SO much about the band and it's material and now I find myself laughing at it.
Those in control of the Queen cannon simply can't be bothered to innovate. I simply can't be bothered to care any more.
Again, can't fault the logic here.
What I struggle with is QPL's complete lack of interest in listening to what the more serious fans / collectors have to say. Of course they're in a position of strength in terms of being the controlling factor in what does or does not come out. However, *SURELY* you'd have thought that they were thinking outside of the box (no pun intended) and looking to get the very best possible ideas to them from the best sources. If Greg was the funnel for that feedback, then more's the better, but there simply appears to be no interest in anyone outside of "the masses" who will happily settle for another collection with WWRY / WATC on it.
The catalogue looks and sounds increasingly tired these days when compared to other "name" bands. The Beatles are about to go through a huge re-issue programme. The Who, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin etc have done it already. As a result, I can't remember the last time I listened to any Queen material having listened to virtually nothing BUT Queen from '79-'89 - I used to care SO much about the band and it's material and now I find myself laughing at it.
Those in control of the Queen cannon simply can't be bothered to innovate. I simply can't be bothered to care any more.
Good idea, John!
But does it mean that Rolex or Swatch or any watch-maker are out of business?
I actually only have one watch (true! ;-) - and it is way out of fashion; you brought me the right idea what to ask for christmas. I DO need a new watch!
Personally, I am as least interested in the singles box set as so many other people in here.
But Queen is still a band that gets new fans and collector's every day. Some of them don't have a watch at all!
And they sure don't want to start with the diamonds-on-platinum edition as their first watch.
Yes, WE have had enough of this material for a long time.
But that does not mean that demand for product that doesn't offer US anything does not have it's demand.
The singles box set will sell just as well as ANY other new QPL product. Every product has it's own market and as long as Queen gets new fans and collectors recycling will remain profitable. And as long as Queen is a business and Brian doesn't turn into Mother Theresa - I'm afraid that we have to accept that there will be releases that 'WE' regard as uninteresting, turd in silverfoil or even plain crap.
But does it mean that Rolex or Swatch or any watch-maker are out of business?
I actually only have one watch (true! ;-) - and it is way out of fashion; you brought me the right idea what to ask for christmas. I DO need a new watch!
Personally, I am as least interested in the singles box set as so many other people in here.
But Queen is still a band that gets new fans and collector's every day. Some of them don't have a watch at all!
And they sure don't want to start with the diamonds-on-platinum edition as their first watch.
Yes, WE have had enough of this material for a long time.
But that does not mean that demand for product that doesn't offer US anything does not have it's demand.
The singles box set will sell just as well as ANY other new QPL product. Every product has it's own market and as long as Queen gets new fans and collectors recycling will remain profitable. And as long as Queen is a business and Brian doesn't turn into Mother Theresa - I'm afraid that we have to accept that there will be releases that 'WE' regard as uninteresting, turd in silverfoil or even plain crap.