I'll look out for the half-price offer. But then they might not release the other 3 boxes. I would hate to buy this box and they do not release the 3 follow-ups. Actually, that's my main concern with this box now that it's not what was planned initially.
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YourValentine,
The Who released a similar set (Volume 1) and, once it was seen to be not selling, they pulled the plug on Volume 2. Figures that similar will happen with this one.
The Who released a similar set (Volume 1) and, once it was seen to be not selling, they pulled the plug on Volume 2. Figures that similar will happen with this one.
Yes, that's what I am talking about. I hate buying a singles collection 1 and then there is no 2, 3 and 4. I own Greatest Video Hits 1 and 2 but there is no No. 3. I own The "A-Z of Queen" Volume 1 but there was never a Volume 2 or 3. The same with the DVD-A collection which was stopped after only 2 DVD-As. It's very much against my habit to finish things to have all these unfinished editions on my shelf. It's a very personal dislike and not representative for any Queen fan group but it keeps me from buying something with "Volume 1" written on it.
.....but QP will take the gamble that people will do just that. Make the purchase with a view to the future and having to then buy subsequent volumes to make up the set. Ensures that they can keep the corn coming in over a sustained period as opposed to just releasing it all in one go. Hence what we have here in all it's purple glory!
Wise and incredibly clever beings.
But they won't get the likes of you and I!
Wise and incredibly clever beings.
But they won't get the likes of you and I!
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[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]
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[b]Marcos Napier wrote: [/b]
[QUOTE]IT DOESN'T MATTER REALLY IF THE MINORITY LIKES QS1, OR BUYS IT OR NOT.
IT'S THE 'MASSES' THAT MATTERS. YOU SURELY MUST KNOW THIS.[/QUOTE]
I'm shocked. Or not. But I'm not surprised I guess.
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It's simple, cold and clinical BUSINESS, Marcos. Nothing more, nothing less.
EMI and Queen, and everyone else in music, are in the BUSINESS of selling records. It's never been any different. Don't be shocked. It will be the majority and not the minority that makes this product viable or not. There's no point in being offended or shocked, no more than you would be if an employee of WH Smiths or Waterstones suggested that the next Harry Potter book will be aimed at the masses (majority) rather than the minority (die hard fans).
You shouldn't be surprised, correct, I guess.
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There are bands out there that cater to BOTH the 'masses' and dedicated fans. Pearl Jam, for instance, release whole tours on cd. In fact, every aspect of PJ's marketing and sales strategy makes Queen look like amateurs. The wisest choice a band can take is to appease the widest possible audience, and that includes the 'masses' and the dedicated fans whose spending power on Queen products on a one-for-one basis is probably 50 times that of one of the 'masses'. However, as you state, Queen cater only to one group. The thing is, anyone officially connected to Queen with any marketing or public relations acumen would see that policy has caused considerable resentment and might take steps to retain the goodwill of fans. Sadly, as Benn says, Queen appear to be surrounded by yes men.
[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]
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[b]Marcos Napier wrote: [/b]
[QUOTE]IT DOESN'T MATTER REALLY IF THE MINORITY LIKES QS1, OR BUYS IT OR NOT.
IT'S THE 'MASSES' THAT MATTERS. YOU SURELY MUST KNOW THIS.[/QUOTE]
I'm shocked. Or not. But I'm not surprised I guess.
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It's simple, cold and clinical BUSINESS, Marcos. Nothing more, nothing less.
EMI and Queen, and everyone else in music, are in the BUSINESS of selling records. It's never been any different. Don't be shocked. It will be the majority and not the minority that makes this product viable or not. There's no point in being offended or shocked, no more than you would be if an employee of WH Smiths or Waterstones suggested that the next Harry Potter book will be aimed at the masses (majority) rather than the minority (die hard fans).
You shouldn't be surprised, correct, I guess.
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There are bands out there that cater to BOTH the 'masses' and dedicated fans. Pearl Jam, for instance, release whole tours on cd. In fact, every aspect of PJ's marketing and sales strategy makes Queen look like amateurs. The wisest choice a band can take is to appease the widest possible audience, and that includes the 'masses' and the dedicated fans whose spending power on Queen products on a one-for-one basis is probably 50 times that of one of the 'masses'. However, as you state, Queen cater only to one group. The thing is, anyone officially connected to Queen with any marketing or public relations acumen would see that policy has caused considerable resentment and might take steps to retain the goodwill of fans. Sadly, as Benn says, Queen appear to be surrounded by yes men.
Holly2003,
And you're absolutely right in saying "sadly". Greg's proposed set would have been absolutely wonderful, however it had been released - either as physical product a-la the FM box or available on download with accompanying materials (booklet / pictures / essays etc) via QueenOnline.com or iTunes. It's shocking that QPL can have someone go to this type of effort, only to tell them that it's effectively a waste of time. Still, if the BOA can spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on consultancy for the 2012 olympic project and then not put their plans in to place, I suppose QPL can act as they wish with their consultant's recommendations.
But, whilst there are no voices to contradict what either Bran or Roger or Jim want to do (however constructive they may be), the status quo will be maintained. Perhaps we need another high profile tragedy (and that's not me wishing anything upon anyone or being facetious in any way) within the camp to trigger some action?
And you're absolutely right in saying "sadly". Greg's proposed set would have been absolutely wonderful, however it had been released - either as physical product a-la the FM box or available on download with accompanying materials (booklet / pictures / essays etc) via QueenOnline.com or iTunes. It's shocking that QPL can have someone go to this type of effort, only to tell them that it's effectively a waste of time. Still, if the BOA can spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on consultancy for the 2012 olympic project and then not put their plans in to place, I suppose QPL can act as they wish with their consultant's recommendations.
But, whilst there are no voices to contradict what either Bran or Roger or Jim want to do (however constructive they may be), the status quo will be maintained. Perhaps we need another high profile tragedy (and that's not me wishing anything upon anyone or being facetious in any way) within the camp to trigger some action?
shoemanbundy: Thank you for the reply. That is the beauty of the internet - it allows true democracy of speech - and I totally agree that we should all be allowed the freedom to voice our individual and collective opinions. Therefore, I respect what you have to say - and your opinions.
However, as this is my turn to hold 'the conch' as it were - let me state my case clearly.
I have already stated that "I am not anti box-set per se".
I have never indicated that a substitute box set (or any other substitute alternative product) should be released.
(Therefore I can not be accused of whining for such!)
I have never had the audacity to tell QPL what to release - or any other company (Disney, Warner Bros etc) for that matter.
I do not expect anything from anyone - let alone have expectations from Queen productions.
Therefore my thread in sum is not about what I want - or fantasy alternatives - but about what has already happened - and my take on history - not my take on how to run QPL - that my friend, is a completely different conversation.
So sticking to my point: It is a fact that these box sets are now selling 50% below the recommended retail price. (Notice no bold print there). I am sure that a visit to your own local High Street will demonstrate this to be the case.
No need for long winded investigations - or protracted discussion, but if my point is accurate - will you have the courage to come back in here and admit "I told you so"?
I predict that like the 'Who' collection - there will be no follow-up box set No2, or No3 - and while QPL (and some of the Stepford's) remain in a cocooned state of self denial - this will not in itself solve any of the world's
economic problems.
Finally; Mr. shoemanbundy, just to double clarify - I am not requesting anything - or want something in return.
The Beatles, The Doors, Elvis Presley, Roy Orbison, Jimi Hendrex and Marc Bolan are all dead - (and Gary Glitter as a guilty pleasure is now economic leprosy) and I do not expect any new products from any of them . (If a better version comes along on blu-ray - I may be tempted to buy, but until that time I have no intentions of re-purchasing that which I already own). If that does not make me a true collector - then stroke my name off the Queen collectors list. Being drummed out the Brownies holds no terror for me.
I wish you a very happy Xmas, and I hope you enjoy your box-set, and that you are very happy with your purchase. May it bring you years of pleasure and joy.
For everyone else (whether it is a Queen box set, Plasma TV, an Automatic Range Rover - or a central heating system) wait until after the January sales - or even longer (mid Feb would be better). By then the consumer will be king. Hard-strapped companies will be fighting amongst themselves offering even bigger discounts for your dwindling disposible incomes - who knows - you might even pick one up for pennies on e-bay as some cash strapped junkie needs his latest fix.
To quote Ted: "Wake up and smell the coffee".
To quote Burns: "The man of independant mind is king of men..."
So Mr. shoemanbundy, I now pass the conch to you so that you can come back and explain to me the problems with my way of thinking.
PS: Pedantic pick of the week re nettiquette - I use bold (not to impersonate William Shattner) but to emphisise my own points. However, I do not need to shout by employing full-in-your-face CAPITALS!
However, as this is my turn to hold 'the conch' as it were - let me state my case clearly.
I have already stated that "I am not anti box-set per se".
I have never indicated that a substitute box set (or any other substitute alternative product) should be released.
(Therefore I can not be accused of whining for such!)
I have never had the audacity to tell QPL what to release - or any other company (Disney, Warner Bros etc) for that matter.
I do not expect anything from anyone - let alone have expectations from Queen productions.
Therefore my thread in sum is not about what I want - or fantasy alternatives - but about what has already happened - and my take on history - not my take on how to run QPL - that my friend, is a completely different conversation.
So sticking to my point: It is a fact that these box sets are now selling 50% below the recommended retail price. (Notice no bold print there). I am sure that a visit to your own local High Street will demonstrate this to be the case.
No need for long winded investigations - or protracted discussion, but if my point is accurate - will you have the courage to come back in here and admit "I told you so"?
I predict that like the 'Who' collection - there will be no follow-up box set No2, or No3 - and while QPL (and some of the Stepford's) remain in a cocooned state of self denial - this will not in itself solve any of the world's
economic problems.
Finally; Mr. shoemanbundy, just to double clarify - I am not requesting anything - or want something in return.
The Beatles, The Doors, Elvis Presley, Roy Orbison, Jimi Hendrex and Marc Bolan are all dead - (and Gary Glitter as a guilty pleasure is now economic leprosy) and I do not expect any new products from any of them . (If a better version comes along on blu-ray - I may be tempted to buy, but until that time I have no intentions of re-purchasing that which I already own). If that does not make me a true collector - then stroke my name off the Queen collectors list. Being drummed out the Brownies holds no terror for me.
I wish you a very happy Xmas, and I hope you enjoy your box-set, and that you are very happy with your purchase. May it bring you years of pleasure and joy.
For everyone else (whether it is a Queen box set, Plasma TV, an Automatic Range Rover - or a central heating system) wait until after the January sales - or even longer (mid Feb would be better). By then the consumer will be king. Hard-strapped companies will be fighting amongst themselves offering even bigger discounts for your dwindling disposible incomes - who knows - you might even pick one up for pennies on e-bay as some cash strapped junkie needs his latest fix.
To quote Ted: "Wake up and smell the coffee".
To quote Burns: "The man of independant mind is king of men..."
So Mr. shoemanbundy, I now pass the conch to you so that you can come back and explain to me the problems with my way of thinking.
PS: Pedantic pick of the week re nettiquette - I use bold (not to impersonate William Shattner) but to emphisise my own points. However, I do not need to shout by employing full-in-your-face CAPITALS!
[QUOTE]The wisest choice a band can take is to appease the widest possible
audience, and that includes the 'masses' and the dedicated fans whose
spending power on Queen products on a one-for-one basis is probably 50
times that of one of the 'masses'[/QUOTE]
It seems that the marketing and sales experts at QPL don't know how much money we have waiting to be spent. On good stuff, though. And occasional post-Xmas discount sales too.
audience, and that includes the 'masses' and the dedicated fans whose
spending power on Queen products on a one-for-one basis is probably 50
times that of one of the 'masses'[/QUOTE]
It seems that the marketing and sales experts at QPL don't know how much money we have waiting to be spent. On good stuff, though. And occasional post-Xmas discount sales too.
John I'm with you one this one I didn't thought of buying the box set. Becasue I don't read yeasterdays newspapar again and again too. It's old news, like the box set.
This would not be unlike Queen to pull back volumes 2-4.
Remember, Queen Rocks was promoted as "Volume 1"... and they weren't talking about those Hollywood promos. While it sold fairly well, perhaps it didn't meet the standards QPL was looking for.
Remember, Queen Rocks was promoted as "Volume 1"... and they weren't talking about those Hollywood promos. While it sold fairly well, perhaps it didn't meet the standards QPL was looking for.
Sorry to say [b]"I told you so",[/b] but:[b] "I told you so!"[/b]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/3933359/Zavvi-administration-threatens-3400-jobs.html
It was also stated on the BBC radio news that another [b]fifteen[/b] major high street stores face administration in the new year.
I think that means - game, set and match to me?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/3933359/Zavvi-administration-threatens-3400-jobs.html
It was also stated on the BBC radio news that another [b]fifteen[/b] major high street stores face administration in the new year.
I think that means - game, set and match to me?
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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
This would not be unlike Queen to pull back volumes 2-4.
Remember, Queen Rocks was promoted as "Volume 1"... and they weren't talking about those Hollywood promos. While it sold fairly well, perhaps it didn't meet the standards QPL was looking for.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, Queen Rocks. Good idea, poor tracklist. Would've been a lot better if they would've included stuff like Princes of the Universe, Dead on Time, Let Me Entertain You and ofcourse the promised remix/remake of Tie Your Mother Down. But I guess Brian felt that too much material was written by Freddie - which ofcourse wouldn't have fitted with Brian being the rocker in Queen. So he decided to include some classic rock tracks like WWRY, I Want It All and other tracks written by himself which already were on GH1 or GH2. Because "That's what the people want to hear".
[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
This would not be unlike Queen to pull back volumes 2-4.
Remember, Queen Rocks was promoted as "Volume 1"... and they weren't talking about those Hollywood promos. While it sold fairly well, perhaps it didn't meet the standards QPL was looking for.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, Queen Rocks. Good idea, poor tracklist. Would've been a lot better if they would've included stuff like Princes of the Universe, Dead on Time, Let Me Entertain You and ofcourse the promised remix/remake of Tie Your Mother Down. But I guess Brian felt that too much material was written by Freddie - which ofcourse wouldn't have fitted with Brian being the rocker in Queen. So he decided to include some classic rock tracks like WWRY, I Want It All and other tracks written by himself which already were on GH1 or GH2. Because "That's what the people want to hear".
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[b]Pim Derks wrote: [/b]
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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
This would not be unlike Queen to pull back volumes 2-4.
Remember, Queen Rocks was promoted as "Volume 1"... and they weren't talking about those Hollywood promos. While it sold fairly well, perhaps it didn't meet the standards QPL was looking for.
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Ah yes, Queen Rocks. Good idea, poor tracklist. Would've been a lot better if they would've included stuff like Princes of the Universe, Dead on Time, Let Me Entertain You and ofcourse the promised remix/remake of Tie Your Mother Down. But I guess Brian felt that too much material was written by Freddie - which ofcourse wouldn't have fitted with the image of Brian being the rocker in Queen. So he decided to include some classic rock tracks like WWRY, I Want It All and other tracks written by himself which already were on GH1 or GH2. Because "That's what the people want to hear".
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[b]Pim Derks wrote: [/b]
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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
This would not be unlike Queen to pull back volumes 2-4.
Remember, Queen Rocks was promoted as "Volume 1"... and they weren't talking about those Hollywood promos. While it sold fairly well, perhaps it didn't meet the standards QPL was looking for.
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Ah yes, Queen Rocks. Good idea, poor tracklist. Would've been a lot better if they would've included stuff like Princes of the Universe, Dead on Time, Let Me Entertain You and ofcourse the promised remix/remake of Tie Your Mother Down. But I guess Brian felt that too much material was written by Freddie - which ofcourse wouldn't have fitted with the image of Brian being the rocker in Queen. So he decided to include some classic rock tracks like WWRY, I Want It All and other tracks written by himself which already were on GH1 or GH2. Because "That's what the people want to hear".
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You lot are a load of Devils.
Box 1 is only just out and you're debating whether 2, 3 and 4 will be axed. It could only happen on QZ.
Box 1 is only just out and you're debating whether 2, 3 and 4 will be axed. It could only happen on QZ.
Show us the sales numbers then to prove us wrong.