I don't know how people can be so shocked about those big record labels facing an end...
If you stop to think, it didn't really last much. It all start in the final decade of the XIX century. Music's existed for thousands of years. Music has been made without them. They were useful to help spread one's work across the world. But with the internet, anyone can spread his/her own work to the whole world, so the labels aren't necessary anymore. Useful, maybe. Necessary, not really.
It's not that hard to see a world without them in a couple of decades...
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[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]
GB: THIS IS A VERY FAIR POINT. BUT IT DOES NOT CATER FOR ONE VERY BASIC, IN FACT RUDIMENTARY POINT/CONSIDERATION.... 'DUPLICATING' ONES COLLECTION, BUYING THE SAME OR SIMILAR ITEM/S OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS A BIG PART OF COLLECTING.
COLLECTORS BUY VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL THINGS ALL THE TIME, DIFFERENT ONLY DUE TO SOME MINOR DETAIL. THAT IS THE VERY NATURE OF COLLECTING.
RECORD COLLECTORS, LIKE TEA-POT OR STAMP COLLECTORS, DON'T STOP BUYING THINGS IN A NEW FORMAT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE IT IN OTHER FORMS ALREADY. OF COURSE THEY DON'T.
YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE 6 WATCHES, SO DON'T NEED MORE WATCHES. BUT A SERIOUS COLLECTOR OF WATCHES MIGHT VERY WELL BUY THE SAME WATCH OVER AND OVER, IF ONE VERSION WAS RED, ANOTHER BLACK, OR ONE WAS LEATHER STRAP BUT THE RAREST VERSION HAD A METAL STRAP, ETC ETC. HAVING EVERY VERSION IS WHAT MAKES THE CHASE EXCITING TO MOST COLLECTORS. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT A 'COLLECTION'.
Even if the 'singles box-set' was made from solid gold discs and jewel encrusted sleeves - I would still [b]not[/b] be interested.
I do [b]not[/b] want it - I do [b]not[/b] need it.
GB: DID YOU BUY GREATEST HITS 1 OR 2 OR 3??? OR QUEEN ROCKS? OR THE COMPLETE WORKS BOX? OR THE BOX OF TRICKS? DID YOU BUY THE FLIX BOXED SET EVEN THOUGH YOU ALREADY HAD 1 AND 2 AS SINGLE VHSs? AS SOON AS YOU HAD ALL THE QUEEN ALBUMS AND SINGLES (WITH NON-ALBUM TRACKS) YOU BASICALLY HAD IT ALL. ANYTHING THEREAFTER WAS A CASE OF RE-PURCHASING SONGS YOU ALREADY HAD.
ALL OF US HAS IN OUR COLLECTION THE PLATINUM BOX CD, THE GREATEST HITS 1 AND 2 BOX OF 1994, QUEEN ROCKS, THE 12" COLLECTION CD (1992), NUMEROUS COMPILATION LP'S, THE USA 'CLASSIC QUEEN' AND 'GREATEST HITS' CDS ALSO OF 1992 (AND THE RELATED VHSs).... AND SO MANY OTHERS, BUT IT'S ALL MATERIAL WE HAD ALREADY AND DID NOT REALLY 'NEED' AGAIN - TO USE YOUR LOGIC.
EVEN THE 'RARE' LP IN THE COMPLETE WORKS BOX WAS STUFF WE ALL HAD ALREADY ON 7" VINYL. SO WHY BUY THAT?
WHY YOU AND OTHERS HAVE SINGLED OUT (NO PUN INTENDED) QUEEN SINGLES COLLECTION BOX 1 FOR THIS UNFAIR TREATMENT, ESCAPES ME.
IT'S A VALID POINT WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT NOT ACTUALLY 'NEEDING IT'.... BUT, BE FAIR, AND APPLY THE SAME LOGIC TO SO MANY OTHER PRODUCTS TOO.
I TAKE IT THAT YOU NEVER EVER BUY A QUEEN PRODUCT THAT HAS CONTENT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN ANOTHER FORM????
OF COURSE YOU DO. YOU BOUGHT GREATEST HITS 1, 2 AND 3 JUST LIKE ANY FAN/COLLECTOR DID. BUT NOW SUDDENLY IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY FOR QS1. ONE LAW FOR CERTAIN PRODUCTS AND ANOTHER LAW FOR THIS. IT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT.
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Now I'm confused - all along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors, but was aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street. Now it seems he's saying it is aimed at the collectors, and with the specific reliance on them buying recycled product again cos it's in a different box and will look pretty on the shelf.
I could be reading this wrong but that's how the above looks to me.
In addition, he really does seem very angry and makes it sound along the lines of '.....well you've bought duplicate product in the past, so I'm afraid that ties you contractually in to buying EVERYTHING that is rehashed in the future - how dare you even say that this time you are not going to buy this product' !!!
[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]
GB: THIS IS A VERY FAIR POINT. BUT IT DOES NOT CATER FOR ONE VERY BASIC, IN FACT RUDIMENTARY POINT/CONSIDERATION.... 'DUPLICATING' ONES COLLECTION, BUYING THE SAME OR SIMILAR ITEM/S OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS A BIG PART OF COLLECTING.
COLLECTORS BUY VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL THINGS ALL THE TIME, DIFFERENT ONLY DUE TO SOME MINOR DETAIL. THAT IS THE VERY NATURE OF COLLECTING.
RECORD COLLECTORS, LIKE TEA-POT OR STAMP COLLECTORS, DON'T STOP BUYING THINGS IN A NEW FORMAT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE IT IN OTHER FORMS ALREADY. OF COURSE THEY DON'T.
YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE 6 WATCHES, SO DON'T NEED MORE WATCHES. BUT A SERIOUS COLLECTOR OF WATCHES MIGHT VERY WELL BUY THE SAME WATCH OVER AND OVER, IF ONE VERSION WAS RED, ANOTHER BLACK, OR ONE WAS LEATHER STRAP BUT THE RAREST VERSION HAD A METAL STRAP, ETC ETC. HAVING EVERY VERSION IS WHAT MAKES THE CHASE EXCITING TO MOST COLLECTORS. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT A 'COLLECTION'.
Even if the 'singles box-set' was made from solid gold discs and jewel encrusted sleeves - I would still [b]not[/b] be interested.
I do [b]not[/b] want it - I do [b]not[/b] need it.
GB: DID YOU BUY GREATEST HITS 1 OR 2 OR 3??? OR QUEEN ROCKS? OR THE COMPLETE WORKS BOX? OR THE BOX OF TRICKS? DID YOU BUY THE FLIX BOXED SET EVEN THOUGH YOU ALREADY HAD 1 AND 2 AS SINGLE VHSs? AS SOON AS YOU HAD ALL THE QUEEN ALBUMS AND SINGLES (WITH NON-ALBUM TRACKS) YOU BASICALLY HAD IT ALL. ANYTHING THEREAFTER WAS A CASE OF RE-PURCHASING SONGS YOU ALREADY HAD.
ALL OF US HAS IN OUR COLLECTION THE PLATINUM BOX CD, THE GREATEST HITS 1 AND 2 BOX OF 1994, QUEEN ROCKS, THE 12" COLLECTION CD (1992), NUMEROUS COMPILATION LP'S, THE USA 'CLASSIC QUEEN' AND 'GREATEST HITS' CDS ALSO OF 1992 (AND THE RELATED VHSs).... AND SO MANY OTHERS, BUT IT'S ALL MATERIAL WE HAD ALREADY AND DID NOT REALLY 'NEED' AGAIN - TO USE YOUR LOGIC.
EVEN THE 'RARE' LP IN THE COMPLETE WORKS BOX WAS STUFF WE ALL HAD ALREADY ON 7" VINYL. SO WHY BUY THAT?
WHY YOU AND OTHERS HAVE SINGLED OUT (NO PUN INTENDED) QUEEN SINGLES COLLECTION BOX 1 FOR THIS UNFAIR TREATMENT, ESCAPES ME.
IT'S A VALID POINT WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT NOT ACTUALLY 'NEEDING IT'.... BUT, BE FAIR, AND APPLY THE SAME LOGIC TO SO MANY OTHER PRODUCTS TOO.
I TAKE IT THAT YOU NEVER EVER BUY A QUEEN PRODUCT THAT HAS CONTENT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN ANOTHER FORM????
OF COURSE YOU DO. YOU BOUGHT GREATEST HITS 1, 2 AND 3 JUST LIKE ANY FAN/COLLECTOR DID. BUT NOW SUDDENLY IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY FOR QS1. ONE LAW FOR CERTAIN PRODUCTS AND ANOTHER LAW FOR THIS. IT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT.
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Now I'm confused - all along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors, but was aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street. Now it seems he's saying it is aimed at the collectors, and with the specific reliance on them buying recycled product again cos it's in a different box and will look pretty on the shelf.
I could be reading this wrong but that's how the above looks to me.
In addition, he really does seem very angry and makes it sound along the lines of '.....well you've bought duplicate product in the past, so I'm afraid that ties you contractually in to buying EVERYTHING that is rehashed in the future - how dare you even say that this time you are not going to buy this product' !!!
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[b]cmsdrums wrote: [/b]
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[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]
GB: THIS IS A VERY FAIR POINT. BUT IT DOES NOT CATER FOR ONE VERY BASIC, IN FACT RUDIMENTARY POINT/CONSIDERATION.... 'DUPLICATING' ONES COLLECTION, BUYING THE SAME OR SIMILAR ITEM/S OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS A BIG PART OF COLLECTING.
COLLECTORS BUY VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL THINGS ALL THE TIME, DIFFERENT ONLY DUE TO SOME MINOR DETAIL. THAT IS THE VERY NATURE OF COLLECTING.
RECORD COLLECTORS, LIKE TEA-POT OR STAMP COLLECTORS, DON'T STOP BUYING THINGS IN A NEW FORMAT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE IT IN OTHER FORMS ALREADY. OF COURSE THEY DON'T.
YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE 6 WATCHES, SO DON'T NEED MORE WATCHES. BUT A SERIOUS COLLECTOR OF WATCHES MIGHT VERY WELL BUY THE SAME WATCH OVER AND OVER, IF ONE VERSION WAS RED, ANOTHER BLACK, OR ONE WAS LEATHER STRAP BUT THE RAREST VERSION HAD A METAL STRAP, ETC ETC. HAVING EVERY VERSION IS WHAT MAKES THE CHASE EXCITING TO MOST COLLECTORS. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT A 'COLLECTION'.
Even if the 'singles box-set' was made from solid gold discs and jewel encrusted sleeves - I would still [b]not[/b] be interested.
I do [b]not[/b] want it - I do [b]not[/b] need it.
GB: DID YOU BUY GREATEST HITS 1 OR 2 OR 3??? OR QUEEN ROCKS? OR THE COMPLETE WORKS BOX? OR THE BOX OF TRICKS? DID YOU BUY THE FLIX BOXED SET EVEN THOUGH YOU ALREADY HAD 1 AND 2 AS SINGLE VHSs? AS SOON AS YOU HAD ALL THE QUEEN ALBUMS AND SINGLES (WITH NON-ALBUM TRACKS) YOU BASICALLY HAD IT ALL. ANYTHING THEREAFTER WAS A CASE OF RE-PURCHASING SONGS YOU ALREADY HAD.
ALL OF US HAS IN OUR COLLECTION THE PLATINUM BOX CD, THE GREATEST HITS 1 AND 2 BOX OF 1994, QUEEN ROCKS, THE 12" COLLECTION CD (1992), NUMEROUS COMPILATION LP'S, THE USA 'CLASSIC QUEEN' AND 'GREATEST HITS' CDS ALSO OF 1992 (AND THE RELATED VHSs).... AND SO MANY OTHERS, BUT IT'S ALL MATERIAL WE HAD ALREADY AND DID NOT REALLY 'NEED' AGAIN - TO USE YOUR LOGIC.
EVEN THE 'RARE' LP IN THE COMPLETE WORKS BOX WAS STUFF WE ALL HAD ALREADY ON 7" VINYL. SO WHY BUY THAT?
WHY YOU AND OTHERS HAVE SINGLED OUT (NO PUN INTENDED) QUEEN SINGLES COLLECTION BOX 1 FOR THIS UNFAIR TREATMENT, ESCAPES ME.
IT'S A VALID POINT WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT NOT ACTUALLY 'NEEDING IT'.... BUT, BE FAIR, AND APPLY THE SAME LOGIC TO SO MANY OTHER PRODUCTS TOO.
I TAKE IT THAT YOU NEVER EVER BUY A QUEEN PRODUCT THAT HAS CONTENT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN ANOTHER FORM????
OF COURSE YOU DO. YOU BOUGHT GREATEST HITS 1, 2 AND 3 JUST LIKE ANY FAN/COLLECTOR DID. BUT NOW SUDDENLY IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY FOR QS1. ONE LAW FOR CERTAIN PRODUCTS AND ANOTHER LAW FOR THIS. IT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT.
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Now I'm confused - all along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors, but was aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street. Now it seems he's saying it is aimed at the collectors, and with the specific reliance on them buying recycled product again cos it's in a different box and will look pretty on the shelf.
I could be reading this wrong but that's how the above looks to me.
In addition, he really does seem very angry and makes it sound along the lines of '.....well you've bought duplicate product in the past, so I'm afraid that ties you contractually in to buying EVERYTHING that is rehashed in the future - how dare you even say that this time you are not going to buy this product' !!!
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sorry mate... you're first point maybe i.e. argument shifting from collectors from masses. That I picked up a bit.
But the other point i.e. angry and we MUST buy it... na, you've read that wrong I think.
In all fairness it is a discussion, so if you personally can come up with a constantly changing argument with fresh view points then maybe he can too? Discussions wont get far with the same facts being brought up... you've been asking Greg from the start to stop bringing up the same points... as soon as he does you complain LOL.
(I'm no fan of either side now lol).
[b]cmsdrums wrote: [/b]
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[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]
GB: THIS IS A VERY FAIR POINT. BUT IT DOES NOT CATER FOR ONE VERY BASIC, IN FACT RUDIMENTARY POINT/CONSIDERATION.... 'DUPLICATING' ONES COLLECTION, BUYING THE SAME OR SIMILAR ITEM/S OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS A BIG PART OF COLLECTING.
COLLECTORS BUY VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL THINGS ALL THE TIME, DIFFERENT ONLY DUE TO SOME MINOR DETAIL. THAT IS THE VERY NATURE OF COLLECTING.
RECORD COLLECTORS, LIKE TEA-POT OR STAMP COLLECTORS, DON'T STOP BUYING THINGS IN A NEW FORMAT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE IT IN OTHER FORMS ALREADY. OF COURSE THEY DON'T.
YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE 6 WATCHES, SO DON'T NEED MORE WATCHES. BUT A SERIOUS COLLECTOR OF WATCHES MIGHT VERY WELL BUY THE SAME WATCH OVER AND OVER, IF ONE VERSION WAS RED, ANOTHER BLACK, OR ONE WAS LEATHER STRAP BUT THE RAREST VERSION HAD A METAL STRAP, ETC ETC. HAVING EVERY VERSION IS WHAT MAKES THE CHASE EXCITING TO MOST COLLECTORS. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT A 'COLLECTION'.
Even if the 'singles box-set' was made from solid gold discs and jewel encrusted sleeves - I would still [b]not[/b] be interested.
I do [b]not[/b] want it - I do [b]not[/b] need it.
GB: DID YOU BUY GREATEST HITS 1 OR 2 OR 3??? OR QUEEN ROCKS? OR THE COMPLETE WORKS BOX? OR THE BOX OF TRICKS? DID YOU BUY THE FLIX BOXED SET EVEN THOUGH YOU ALREADY HAD 1 AND 2 AS SINGLE VHSs? AS SOON AS YOU HAD ALL THE QUEEN ALBUMS AND SINGLES (WITH NON-ALBUM TRACKS) YOU BASICALLY HAD IT ALL. ANYTHING THEREAFTER WAS A CASE OF RE-PURCHASING SONGS YOU ALREADY HAD.
ALL OF US HAS IN OUR COLLECTION THE PLATINUM BOX CD, THE GREATEST HITS 1 AND 2 BOX OF 1994, QUEEN ROCKS, THE 12" COLLECTION CD (1992), NUMEROUS COMPILATION LP'S, THE USA 'CLASSIC QUEEN' AND 'GREATEST HITS' CDS ALSO OF 1992 (AND THE RELATED VHSs).... AND SO MANY OTHERS, BUT IT'S ALL MATERIAL WE HAD ALREADY AND DID NOT REALLY 'NEED' AGAIN - TO USE YOUR LOGIC.
EVEN THE 'RARE' LP IN THE COMPLETE WORKS BOX WAS STUFF WE ALL HAD ALREADY ON 7" VINYL. SO WHY BUY THAT?
WHY YOU AND OTHERS HAVE SINGLED OUT (NO PUN INTENDED) QUEEN SINGLES COLLECTION BOX 1 FOR THIS UNFAIR TREATMENT, ESCAPES ME.
IT'S A VALID POINT WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT NOT ACTUALLY 'NEEDING IT'.... BUT, BE FAIR, AND APPLY THE SAME LOGIC TO SO MANY OTHER PRODUCTS TOO.
I TAKE IT THAT YOU NEVER EVER BUY A QUEEN PRODUCT THAT HAS CONTENT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN ANOTHER FORM????
OF COURSE YOU DO. YOU BOUGHT GREATEST HITS 1, 2 AND 3 JUST LIKE ANY FAN/COLLECTOR DID. BUT NOW SUDDENLY IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY FOR QS1. ONE LAW FOR CERTAIN PRODUCTS AND ANOTHER LAW FOR THIS. IT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT.
[/QUOTE]
Now I'm confused - all along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors, but was aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street. Now it seems he's saying it is aimed at the collectors, and with the specific reliance on them buying recycled product again cos it's in a different box and will look pretty on the shelf.
I could be reading this wrong but that's how the above looks to me.
In addition, he really does seem very angry and makes it sound along the lines of '.....well you've bought duplicate product in the past, so I'm afraid that ties you contractually in to buying EVERYTHING that is rehashed in the future - how dare you even say that this time you are not going to buy this product' !!!
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sorry mate... you're first point maybe i.e. argument shifting from collectors from masses. That I picked up a bit.
But the other point i.e. angry and we MUST buy it... na, you've read that wrong I think.
In all fairness it is a discussion, so if you personally can come up with a constantly changing argument with fresh view points then maybe he can too? Discussions wont get far with the same facts being brought up... you've been asking Greg from the start to stop bringing up the same points... as soon as he does you complain LOL.
(I'm no fan of either side now lol).