ANNOUNCE: Third night in Leiden 1986, Magic Tour, complete alternate source

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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]



My post any ONLY my post was deleted from this thread.  I was the second to last person to post in this thread at the time that it had disappeared, before Bokkepoot.  Is this some kind of censorship?

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Hi, SirGH! How are you? I hope you're doing fine and had a great weekend.  

It can't be official censorhip, I think. I'm not only sure that dear Your Valentine would never do it, but she herself was at a loss for what had happened - she replied promptly to users asking what had happened and said she'd contact Richard to fix whatever was the problem, which baffled her too! 

Maybe[b] [/b]you didn't mean official censorship by Your Valentine or Richard, but other people may get it wrong and interpret it in the worse possible way. Because both dear Your Valentine and Richard do a great job, which I deeply respect, I felt like writting it.

As always, I'm willing to edit it upon the wish of YV or Richard, if they don't see it fit or don't think it's helpful. 

Again, I know it's likely not what you meant. I think we just have to be careful there when we talk about censorship because people may draw misguided conclusions which will only do harm to the community. 

Thanks to Rick, again, to Your Valentine and Richard!

Take care, SirGH.
 
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Hi, Rick!!!

Thanks for the reply. I'm doing. :) Is there this kind of answer in English? "How are you doing?", "Well, I'm doing". lol There's in Portuguese something similar, so I thought about giving it a try! It's supposed to mean: "I'm not really doing FINE, but I'm not feeling bad either." :)))) Oh, Gosh, I complicate things too much!!!

I'm doing! :)))  

Best Regards.   





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Hi Yara

I have to agree with you: you complicate things;-)

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[b]Rick wrote: [/b]

Okay, here's part 1 of CD2:

http://www.mediafire.com/?toghmdw5gnj

I will edit the original post as well.

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Yipee! Thanks for re-upping, now I can play with making a nice mix :)

Thank you very much Rick... I appreciate this share.

Downloading right now and ASAP I'll be splitting these,

dank Rick boy!

and surely I'll be attaching some artwork for this as well...

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[/b][i]It doesn't matter who has taped what.  That is completely irrelevant to this discussion.  If you taped something, you can do as you please. But if you didn't tape it, you have no business creating the rules for who does and doesn't get to hear it, purely out of interest for your own trading gains, if the taper himself didn't create such restrictions.[/i]
[b]So you are saying it DOES matter. I decide what happens with my masters.
About the material I have wich I did not tape myself: if the taper in person sold me his masters and told me I could do with it whatever I liked (hoarding it included!) I'm fully permitted to do with it whatever I like. Even though I did not tape the particular show myself.    


[/b]But if you didn't tape it, you have no business creating the rules for who does and doesn't get to hear it, purely out of interest for your own trading gains, if the taper himself didn't create such restrictions.
[b]You are doing exactly the same Bob. Why don't you upload the Brussels masters you recently recieved? And how about your silent 8 mm masters? Don't blame people behaving a certain way if you are doing the exact same thing. That's very hypocrite.

[/b]You are one of the people who have the power to change it, even just a small bit.  So it's time to chip in and share things that people actually want.  If people like you would share your few gems, others will follow.  We're a community, so everyone needs to do their part.
[b]I did my part. I tape concerts, I take photographs, I shared concerts and rare photographs (take a look at your website!) , I tracked down uncirculated masters, unknown shows and so on....But that doesn't mean I have to share ALL of those rarities. That's for me to decide. Some things I decide to share (like my and my friends QPR 2005 Rotterdam master), or trade (with people I like), some things I trade with restrictions and some things I hoard. Nothing wrong with that.

Again: you never taped anything queen related and are hoarding too (Brussels masters, silent 8 mm masters) I have no problem with your hoarding but I do have a BIG problem with you telling other collectors who hoard what to do. That's none of your business!! Especially not if you are not taping concerts and yet your are hoarding too. Very very hypocrite.
OK, go on say: "they are hoarding so I have to do it too..." Whatever Bob.

[/b]Yeah, until you weigh the value of each recording.  There is little demand for these recent recordings in the grand scheme of things.  The only "value" in a recording from 2005-08 is value you choose to create by deeming it to be rare and sought-after.  However, the truth is, no recording from the last few years compares to a piece of history from 30+ years ago, and everyone knows it.
[b]I don't create "value" at all. I'm a taper. I tape concerts. That's what I do. 
I like to preserve musical history of the bands I visit. Queen + PR is a one of those bands. I decided to share some of my recordings because I think some people might like them. Take it or leave it. I shared my (and my friends) QPR Rotterdam 2005 master for free overhere. It's the only complete lossless Rotterdam 2005 recording there is so far. I know for a fact that quite some Dutch (and non-dutch) Queen fans are very happy with that. Just like I was very happy 10 years ago when I got a mastercopy of the Brian May concert from 23-09-1998 in Utrecht.  


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Come on guys, please don't start another flamewar

I just don't like the fact that Bob is playing the holy saint blaming other collectors they are hoarding while [b]he is doing the exact same thing.
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If I want to share I share. If I don't want to share I don't. Just like Bob is doing . 
End of discussion.

So to sum it up, Bob has Brussels recordings of Queen(with Freddie) and you have tracked down uncirculated Queen masters, Dennis(so you both did the same great thing). Maybe this is a solution: Bob uploads a master of Queen in Brussels and in return you upload an uncirculated Queen(with Freddie) master you have. In the end you both get something you want and so does the entire community.

Really, there's no need to be mad at each other of the will to share is there!

Come one you little Obama's: Yes we can!

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The elite trader / hoarder comments are uncalled for in my opinion.  It isn't 2005 anymore.



 



 



 

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I respect that, but I see that differently. I've had contact with a bunch of a-holes who promised a lot, but could not make their words reality. I also loathe comments like "I have show x but I can't share nor trade it".

I will re-upload part 1 of CD2 soon. Please give me some time.

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@Martin, Dennis: I agree completely. Maybe I should have said it differently. What I meant was: those people who tease us with a few samples of a rare recording and leave it like that. A great example is the Monterrey video. Or the 3 seconds samples of the Mexican Queen fanclub. I mean, what's their point?

As I said earlier: I, unfortunately, had contact with a few other people who did exactly the same. I just can't stand that :-) I must say, sharing this concert is a huge relief!

Also, don't get me wrong. I don't need any worship of some kind. All credits go to the taper! Plus, I wanted to do something in return, for all those great Queen collectors who shared something from their private collections.

In conclusion: hoarding is fine, to a certain extend. ;-)





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To Rick:
Good post. Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't trying to tease people with the things I hoard (not like the Mexicans are doing :-) ).

Whenever I share (or let go: by trading it without restrictions) a rare recording I do it because I want to do something back to the community wich gave me all those great recordings (especially from the Queen related shows I visited and wasn't able to record) 
Just like you wanted to give something back. I can understand the feeling Rick.

However, there are a lot of greedy bitches in this community that I don't want to give anything.

Lo cierto de todo esto es que cada uno hará lo que crea que tenga que hacer. Es cierto que somos algunas veces recelosos de compartir el material de Queen que tenemos en nuestras casas. Pero por otro lado, entiendo que sería bueno compartir los conciertos que tenemos, precisamente por preservar la grandeza de este maravilloso grupo que fue Queen. Si alguien quiere compartir los conciertos, bienvenido sea, si la gente no quiere, pues nos tendremos que respetar su opinión.

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The certain thing of all that is that each one will do what believes that has to do. It is true that we are often rejealous of sharing Queen's material that we have in our houses. But on the other hand, I understand that it would be good to share the concerts that we have, precisely for preserving the greatness of this wonderful group that was Queen. If someone wants to share the concerts, welcome be, if the people do not want, so (then,since) us

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[b]on my way up wrote: [/b]

So to sum it up, Bob has Brussels recordings of Queen(with Freddie) and you have tracked down uncirculated Queen masters, Dennis(so you both did the same great thing). Maybe this is a solution: Bob uploads a master of Queen in Brussels and in return you upload an uncirculated Queen(with Freddie) master you have. In the end you both get something you want and so does the entire community.

Really, there's no need to be mad at each other of the will to share is there!

Come one you little Obama's: Yes we can!



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Like I said: There are a lot of greedy bitches in this community that I don't want to serve.
Putting my masters online will do so. I'm not very fond of that idea. I've traded a lot of my rare stuff in the past
with a very select group of fellow collectors wich I 100% thrust. I want them to have my recordings because I thrust them with my recordings and I like them as a person. The will to share has always been there. But not the will to share it with everyone (including the people I don't like, and people who are only greedy and ask for recordings and never contribute).

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The community consists of a whole bunch of people. If each and every one of those is willing to change things we can do it, I'm sure of that. Can the few of us who have posted in this topic not start with this change? Why would you want to keep things as they are?







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This sounds almost like communism.
100 % perfect in theory.
100 % utopia in reality.

Why on earth would I donate my rarities to a community that I don't really like that much?
What do I get in return? Uncirculated 70's footage? I don't think so.

The only thing that will happen is: toute queenzone downloading my footage, saying thanks a lot and all that 
and after a month or so nothing has changed and my footage ends up being bootlegged by some japanese asshole who earns a lot of money for it.

NO THANK YOU. I'd rather sell it to Queenproductions or keep it with me forever.

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[b]on my way up wrote: [/b]



So to sum it up, Bob has Brussels recordings of Queen(with Freddie) and you have tracked down uncirculated Queen masters, Dennis(so you both did the same great thing). Maybe this is a solution: Bob uploads a master of Queen in Brussels and in return you upload an uncirculated Queen(with Freddie) master you have. In the end you both get something you want and so does the entire community.

Really, there's no need to be mad at each other of the will to share is there!

Come one you little Obama's: Yes we can!




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Like I said: There are a lot of greedy bitches in this community that I don't want to serve.
Putting my masters online will do so. I'm not very fond of that idea. I've traded a lot of my rare stuff in the past
with a very select group of fellow collectors wich I 100% thrust. I want them to have my recordings because I thrust them with my recordings and I like them as a person. The will to share has always been there. But not the will to share it with everyone (including the people I don't like, and people who are only greedy and ask for recordings and never contribute).






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Of course, you can easily reverse that logic. Why would you keep that stuff only for a select group if you can make many people happy with it? I'm sure that if a 1000 people download it, there will be 500 idiots and 500 really happy, grateful people. That's the way things are. Just ignore that fact,  those idiots.



By the way, I consider myself to be a nice guy, easy to like, very trustworthy haha ;-)

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By the way, I consider myself to be a nice guy, easy to like, very trustworthy haha ;-)




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I believe we did some very nice trades Raf :-)