hotspace vs thriller

sad loss the michael jackson died.  i thought he was brilliant.  great voice and great song writer.
[/QUOTE]anyway i smiled when i read brian mays thoughts on michael jackson.  he still compares, ever so loosely, hotspace and thriller.  They are so far apart in direction and execution im not sure that you can mention them in the same breath, let alone the same sentence.  And im not saying that because hot space is rubbish, on the contrary, i love that album. see i never ever ever thought of queen of being a rock band so as soon as i heard the first bar of staying power i already loved the album.  Queen just explored different things so i was excited by hot space.  but to compare it to thriller just seems very odd indeed. and to say it was all about timing of the release.......hmmmmmm.[/QUOTE]i wonder if brian may has ever heard thriller.[/QUOTE]

By the time 'Hot Space' was issued, 'Thriller' was already a work in progress. So it's not only illogical to think it was its inspiration in mathematical terms, but also, as you say, by simply listening to the album.

I sort of think the opposite: [i]Beat It [/i]vs [i]Invisible Man[/i].

I dont think there was really an influence there in the way Brian seems to hint, but I do understand and accept part of what he is getting at - Queen were a rock band attempting to make an album with funk/disco influences, whereas Michael Jackson was a funk/disco type act trying to make an album with certain rock influences.

Queen didnt get it quite right in that although the album is interesting as a change of direction, personally I dont think most of the songs were good enough, or catchy enough to sell to either their usual audience, or a more general, pop audience in a great amount.
On the other hand, Thriller is a bit of a masterpiece in pop music and blends the above influences tremendously well.

I dont think it was timing - Jackson just did it better!

I dont hate Hot Space though - I find it fun to listen to, and a nice change of gear in the Queen catalogue.

Michael Jackson himself once said there would have been no Thriller without Hot Space.

Bullshit

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Michael Jackson himself once said there would have been no Thriller without Hot Space.

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Indeed!

Also, let's not forget Michael was friends with Freddie at that time. He gave Queen the tip to release Another one bites the dust as a single( a 1980 song that made Queen do more songs like that, as we all know). He certainly knew what new grounds Queen was discovering and that probably inspired him.

Despite the claims to the contrary that i've read here, I can see similarities between Thriller and Hot Space.
That said, Thriller is much much better than Hot Space. Michael(and Quincy of course) got it right. They had the song and the sounds. Queen's songs were not as good and the production left a lot to be desired.

I think Brian is right, regarding feedback on both albums.

I think that some evidence between how both albums were produced, is that of comparing Thriller/Beat It and Staying Power/Dancer. Look the solo on Beat and Dancer, and the horns and funk on Thriler and SP.

Also, bare in mind, that during that time, Freddie and Michael produced and sang three songs: There must be more in life than this, State of Shock and another one. Songwriting there is kinda same.

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Michael Jackson himself once said there would have been no Thriller without Hot Space.

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When and where?

[i]in Neverland after smoking some pots and screwing a few guys.[/i]

hmmm its interesting that you can compare the two, i dont really hear any similarities whatsoever. its funny that we hear different things isnt it?michael jackson was already a huge star before thriller, and he had a huge audience.  thriller is a continuation of "off the wall" imho.  very different but still very much michael jackson.  also, im of the opinion that just because he spoke or became friendly with freddie mercury for a short time doesnt really mean anything, michael jackson was friends with a whole host of stars, and he was always savy enough to beat to his own drum.  [/QUOTE]
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hmmm its interesting that you can compare the two, i dont really hear any similarities whatsoever. its funny that we hear different things isnt it?michael jackson was already a huge star before thriller, and he had a huge audience.  thriller is a continuation of "off the wall" imho.  very different but still very much michael jackson.  also, im of the opinion that just because he spoke or became friendly with freddie mercury for a short time doesnt really mean anything, michael jackson was friends with a whole host of stars, and he was always savy enough to beat to his own drum.  [/QUOTE]
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it's strange to me that you don't hear similarities between hot space and thriller.  Listen to "beat it" then listen to dancer and back chat,  A pop song with a rock guitar solo, it's pretty obvious.....  Brian may's comment that hot space wasn't successful because of timing?...I think timing had a little to do with it, but the bottom line is that the songs wern't nearly as good as what's on thriller. If the songs were great the album would have been big......   I like hot space myself, a fun little album, but it was missing that something special.  hot space might have been an influence, but too say there wouldn't have been a thriller without it is being a little arrogant as a queen fan.  I'm sure thriller had many influences.

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I don't remember exactly... but it was an interview from that era that I read a transcription of a few years back.

That aside, I'm pretty sure Freddie influenced Michael's music otherwise.  There are so many musical similarities between Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow and Heal The World.  In my eyes, those are two of the greatest pop songs ever written.

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[i]when?where?any info?leave it to experts please.[/i]

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[i]when?where?any info?leave it to experts please.[/i]

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Ok, you've made your point.  You retaliate because I point out your lies and lack of common decency.  We get it.

Stop being a troll, wasting webspace with your spam that doesn't add to the conversation.

Also Hot Space only had 3 songs that were comparable - Staying Power, Dancer and BackChat.
Are any othose songs as good as Billie Jean, Beat It or Thriller..... I don't think so.

Despite Queen's success Brian May still has some chips on his shoulder and chooses some inappropriate times to air some of his views.