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john bodega
"because of modern techniques in recording, sound perfect"
'cept they don't. You can iron out the wrinkles in a shirt, but you can't change the fact that it has an ugly pattern on it.
'cept they don't. You can iron out the wrinkles in a shirt, but you can't change the fact that it has an ugly pattern on it.
thomasquinn 32989
[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
"because of modern techniques in recording, sound perfect"
'cept they don't. You can iron out the wrinkles in a shirt, but you can't change the fact that it has an ugly pattern on it.[/QUOTE]
Nice metaphor!
"because of modern techniques in recording, sound perfect"
'cept they don't. You can iron out the wrinkles in a shirt, but you can't change the fact that it has an ugly pattern on it.[/QUOTE]
Nice metaphor!
tomchristie22
The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke from the March concert has some of the most glaring examples of pitch correction. 'Soldier, sailor, tinker, tailor, PLOUGHboy ... the arch-magician preSIDES...'. It's especially unnatural sounding on the high note of 'ploughboy'. Really disappointing that we might never hear that song live in an unaltered state.
GERRYISADICK
But its something
tomchristie22
It is, but it'd be so much better if they'd just let it sound how it sounded. Replacing the voice crack on 'locality' on the MK Bowl Fat Bottomed Girls is one thing - I personally see no issue with that, as they did it seamlessly and used an alternative recording from around the same time. Going through entire songs, taking marginally flat notes and 'correcting' them, however, just sounds like shit. Sacrificing character and authenticity for sterile, robot sounding perfection. Yuck.
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]
It is, but it'd be so much better if they'd just let it sound how it sounded. Replacing the voice crack on 'locality' on the MK Bowl Fat Bottomed Girls is one thing - I personally see no issue with that, as they did it seamlessly and used an alternative recording from around the same time. Going through entire songs, taking marginally flat notes and 'correcting' them, however, just sounds like shit. Sacrificing character and authenticity for sterile, robot sounding perfection. Yuck. [/QUOTE]
Yup - this I agree with 100%
It is, but it'd be so much better if they'd just let it sound how it sounded. Replacing the voice crack on 'locality' on the MK Bowl Fat Bottomed Girls is one thing - I personally see no issue with that, as they did it seamlessly and used an alternative recording from around the same time. Going through entire songs, taking marginally flat notes and 'correcting' them, however, just sounds like shit. Sacrificing character and authenticity for sterile, robot sounding perfection. Yuck. [/QUOTE]
Yup - this I agree with 100%
tomchristie22
Just listening through the previews on iTunes - it's especially bad on Modern Times Rock and Roll's chorus.
Oscar J
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[b]tomchristie22 wrote: [/b] Just listening through the previews on iTunes - it's especially bad on Modern Times Rock and Roll's chorus.[/QUOTE]
Which version? March or November?
[b]tomchristie22 wrote: [/b] Just listening through the previews on iTunes - it's especially bad on Modern Times Rock and Roll's chorus.[/QUOTE]
Which version? March or November?
tomchristie22
March - completely forgot they played it in November.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5mNAedani4 - This is how it ought to sound (though this version has some double tracking at certain points, it sounds like the melody is intact). If you compare that with the new release, they've actually completely altered the melody for the line 'rock and roll', and also made the harmonies on 'modern times' sound really strange. Granted, the second 'modern times' harmony was fairly out of key originally.
November one sounds fine.
EDIT: The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous. Getting disillusioned with this release pretty fast :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5mNAedani4 - This is how it ought to sound (though this version has some double tracking at certain points, it sounds like the melody is intact). If you compare that with the new release, they've actually completely altered the melody for the line 'rock and roll', and also made the harmonies on 'modern times' sound really strange. Granted, the second 'modern times' harmony was fairly out of key originally.
November one sounds fine.
EDIT: The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous. Getting disillusioned with this release pretty fast :(
Nitroboy
[QUOTE]
[b]tomchristie22 wrote: [/b] March - completely forgot they played it in November.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5mNAedani4 - This is how it ought to sound (though this version has some double tracking at certain points, it sounds like the melody is intact). If you compare that with the new release, they've actually completely altered the melody for the line 'rock and roll', and also made the harmonies on 'modern times' sound really strange. Granted, the second 'modern times' harmony was fairly out of key originally.
November one sounds fine.
EDIT: The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous. Getting disillusioned with this release pretty fast :([/QUOTE]
I've mixed both the bootleg mix and the new mix to the video in an .mkv file - it sounds like AT LEAST the choruses were overdubbed on the lead vocals.
[url=https://mega.co.nz/#!FElzmTjb!6o38k5ejUMSXsIsC00cVzo_wZQvm48ArDReEVgbQaWk]https://mega.co.nz/#!FElzmTjb!6o38k5ejUMSXsIsC00cVzo_wZQvm48ArDReEVgbQaWk[/url]
[b]tomchristie22 wrote: [/b] March - completely forgot they played it in November.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5mNAedani4 - This is how it ought to sound (though this version has some double tracking at certain points, it sounds like the melody is intact). If you compare that with the new release, they've actually completely altered the melody for the line 'rock and roll', and also made the harmonies on 'modern times' sound really strange. Granted, the second 'modern times' harmony was fairly out of key originally.
November one sounds fine.
EDIT: The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous. Getting disillusioned with this release pretty fast :([/QUOTE]
I've mixed both the bootleg mix and the new mix to the video in an .mkv file - it sounds like AT LEAST the choruses were overdubbed on the lead vocals.
[url=https://mega.co.nz/#!FElzmTjb!6o38k5ejUMSXsIsC00cVzo_wZQvm48ArDReEVgbQaWk]https://mega.co.nz/#!FElzmTjb!6o38k5ejUMSXsIsC00cVzo_wZQvm48ArDReEVgbQaWk[/url]
Barry Durex
[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]
The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
So the 'wanna try' sounds utterly ridiculous on this clip?
pittrek
I still can't hear anything unnatural. Even "wanna try" sounds perfectly live.
GERRYISADICK
People stop complaining you've been asking for the rainbow for ages and a few overdubs piss you off . I thought you didnt care you just wanted the rainbow
Fireplace
[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]
EDIT: The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous. Getting disillusioned with this release pretty fast :( [/QUOTE]
I think you're on to something here. It's a well guarded secret that Freddie could only sing an E-flat note (that's why most of his songs are in E-flat), therefore every note that deviates from E-flat MUST be autotuned.
Imagine the work producers did on his live vocal improvisations!
Take it from someone who does work with Melodyne on a regular basis: any millionselling band that uses Autotune or some other pitch correction will do it in a way that is inaudible to the public, unless it was meant as a special effect (e.g. Cher). Queen certainly touch up their live recordings, but mostly by using parts from other shows from the same tour.
EDIT: The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous. Getting disillusioned with this release pretty fast :( [/QUOTE]
I think you're on to something here. It's a well guarded secret that Freddie could only sing an E-flat note (that's why most of his songs are in E-flat), therefore every note that deviates from E-flat MUST be autotuned.
Imagine the work producers did on his live vocal improvisations!
Take it from someone who does work with Melodyne on a regular basis: any millionselling band that uses Autotune or some other pitch correction will do it in a way that is inaudible to the public, unless it was meant as a special effect (e.g. Cher). Queen certainly touch up their live recordings, but mostly by using parts from other shows from the same tour.