Autotune/Pitch Correction on new releases.

it's a shame. This could've been quite something. But then again, when has there been an unaltered Queen live album.

That's what i love about the tapes offered here. You can hear exactly how they sounded on the shows available here.

[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b] [QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b] The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous.[/QUOTE] So the 'wanna try' sounds utterly ridiculous on this clip? [/QUOTE] At 0:45, yes it sounds really artificial to me, especially on the climb up to the first note. I'll concede that maybe I'm just hearing what I'm looking for when it isn't there.

^ So it's either ''utterly ridiculous'' or you might just be hearing things?

[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]
Granted, the second 'modern times' harmony was fairly out of key originally.
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Yeah, and I didn't care every 200+ times I listened to it. Because it's live and real.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]
Granted, the second 'modern times' harmony was fairly out of key originally.
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Yeah, and I didn't care every 200+ times I listened to it. Because it's live and real.[/QUOTE]

Exactly right.

I'm still looking forward to the release. It seems mostly intact, and is still terrific quality and much more complete compared to what we've had of it previously. The essence of it will be true to their live sound, even with the occasional corrections.

[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]

^ So it's either ''utterly ridiculous'' or you might just be hearing things?[/QUOTE]

'Hearing things' was more an effort to be diplomatic, as I'm not certain of what I'm claiming. But yes, Freddie's tone on 'wanna try' sounds egregiously distorted to me, especially on the first note at the beginning of the phrase.

Feel free to compare with the VHS audio, which uses what is unquestionably the same vocal take. Or, for that matter, any other bootleg from the Sheer Heart Attack tour, in which he sings the lower melody on 'wanna try' for every single one, same as on the VHS audio for Rainbow Killer Queen. I can't find any higher variation at all like the one on the new release.

It was only a minor example to prove my point, but I really am astonished that some people here can't hear that it's been altered. Hopefully a more clear illustration will help: 

Thanks, you're correct.

It's impossible to alter a melody that much using pitch altering without getting artifacts and really weird sounding "smurfy" vocals.

That Killer Queen line must have been cut out from a different show or recording and edited in place, because there's no way that's been done with i.e. Melodyne alone. OR - the VHS sample and the new release isn't from the same night.

Don't forget that the November show is a merge of 2 nights

Here's a mix with the old sound in the left channel, and the new release in the right channel. It's clearly the same night, but they've simply cut in the "wanna try?" line from another recording, possibly the other night. Otherwise there are not that many edits in this song, except for some intonation fixes on some of the high notes.

Have a listen:

[url=http://clyp.it/hy0dlkle]http://clyp.it/hy0dlkle[/url]

For me the comparison is two completely different vocal takes. The one from the old vhs is perfect, it's CLEARLY a complete studio overdub and I'm referring to the entire song! The new one is a lot more rough and almost certainly the original vocal from the night with possibly some slight tinkering

[QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]

It's impossible to alter a melody that much using pitch altering without getting artifacts and really weird sounding "smurfy" vocals.

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[QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]

Here's a mix with the old sound in the left channel, and the new release in the right channel. It's clearly the same night, but they've simply cut in the "wanna try?" line from another recording, possibly the other night. Otherwise there are not that many edits in this song, except for some intonation fixes on some of the high notes.

Have a listen:

[url=http://clyp.it/hy0dlkle]http://clyp.it/hy0dlkle[/url][/QUOTE]

This makes sense - except where would they have cut it from? Like I showed earlier, there's no known recording where he sings that higher melody. Of course, that doesn't mean he never did, but it seems odd.

^ As pittrek already said, this is a compilation of audio from BOTH nights.

Okay - I'm satsfied that it's taken from another show, not a complete altering of the original melody. Thanks all for your insight :)

On a slightly different note, I wonder why they replaced just that tiny line - as Oscar showed, it's otherwise almost exactly the same vocal. Weird!

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[b]tomchristie22 wrote: [/b] Okay - I'm satsfied that it's taken from another show, not a complete altering of the original melody. Thanks all for your insight :)

On a slightly different note, I wonder why they replaced just that tiny line - as Oscar showed, it's otherwise almost exactly the same vocal. Weird![/QUOTE]

Hey, you were the one that found it in the first place! :)

Yes, I'm wondering that too. It's not like the original line was bad either, really can't hear any reason to replace it.