Press Release: News Of The World - 40th Anniversary Edition

Viper wrote:

Hopefully, Houston '77 show will have a proper release some day. This may be the reason why it doesn't get, almost, any mention on the NOTW box.

Yeahh.. At this point, we are lucky if in 2027 we get a cut 50th anniversary version of the gig . Quality problems is the lamest of the excuses. Not long ago here there was a share of a "close to the offcial recording" Bootleg from Houston that sounded superb!! It's unforgivable that they release the Docu. touring the USA and completely omit the Houston Gig, unFUC..NGforgivable

Since the live version of 'My Melancholy Blues' from Houston was a B side of 'The Miracle', I totally expect the concert to be released for the 40th anniversary of 'The Miracle'.

Thus is the QPL logic.

Only another twelve years to wait.

'Par for the course' (with a 15 handicap).

Houston, Texas is on the DVD from the Box Set- American Dream

It looks like this will be an average release with a few up and downsides. Not too bad, but surly below most peoples expectations I guess.

aristide1 wrote:

Brian: "We have a new vinyl mastering, which comes straight off the mix tapes as opposed to off copies of the mix tapes. So this is the most faithful reproduction of those master mixes ever."

So this is the problem - vinyl mastering from copies, instead of the original mix tapes. Wow! I always thought the problem of recent vinyls is digitally fucked sound. My mistake.

My understanding is that this will be similar to a virgin copy of what was issued in 1977. Not a 2011 remaster, etc. Hopefully, it will have been well mastered to vinyl. The 77 version was not too shabby.

Recent vinyl is normally sourced from copies of original master tapes in order to preserve the life of those tapes. Digital copies sourced from the original master at a high bitrate (24/96 or above) would virtually be the same as hearing the original master. There have been complaints that a 24/96 sourced copy is inferior to pure analog. However, this is mainly due to the way it is marketed. No one would really be able to tell the difference as to whether a vinyl is sourced from 24/48, 24/88, 24/96, 24/192 or even 32/384... if they say sourced from the original analog tapes vs sourced from original masters... people become skeptical and start asking questions.

so brian said straight off the mixtapes to avoid any confusion... he is trying to market this as being sourced from the analogue tapes... I for one, who does collect vinyl and does hear a difference between vinyl and CDs, who does have decent equipment that would subjectively support that statement... do not care whether it was sourced from the original analog tapes, or sourced from a digital master, etc.

At the end of the day, most people who enjoy vinyl, would like to hear exactly what could be heard on the mixing board immediately before it was cut to vinyl. not a remaster, or remaster of a remaster, or a newly remastered version, etc. Basically, I appreciate the clarity of his comments. Hopefully, it sounds better than the original 77 LP.

fr1986 wrote:

Viper wrote:

Hopefully, Houston '77 show will have a proper release some day. This may be the reason why it doesn't get, almost, any mention on the NOTW box.

Yeahh.. At this point, we are lucky if in 2027 we get a cut 50th anniversary version of the gig . Quality problems is the lamest of the excuses. Not long ago here there was a share of a "close to the offcial recording" Bootleg from Houston that sounded superb!! It's unforgivable that they release the Docu. touring the USA and completely omit the Houston Gig, unFUC..NGforgivable

Unless they release a live box set - I doubt very much this will ever be officially released. Brian had mentioned something about a live box set years ago - just before or just after the 2011 CDs were released (I think)... Obviously nothing yet... and even then, houston being on it would be long shot.

It's the first time i hear about the issue of "copies vs. original" in a vinyl quality context. A copy is virtually identical to the original and a perfect candidate for vinyl.
The only reason for this bullshit explanation is that Brian just can't say the words "original, not remastered", meaning original is superior, considering the last glorious 30 years of remasters.
The last encounter with the NOTW original master comet was in 1986. Let's hope we'll not remain staring at the sky again.

^ yes. Because for all its merits, it (remastering) CAN separate elements into more distinct parameters, but it does lose the color of the original recording.

Now if the source material was bounced around andmixedto death THEN you'd have a candidate for remastering truly making an exceptional mix.

I'd like to think that someday someone could time travel and get a better source for Jimi 's albums. ...causeto my ears they sound truly horrible considering the work done on Beatles APPLE recordings AND stuff like DEEP PURPLE MKI...

For all their talk some of those albums just don't sound like they'd been engineered properly.



All this said. ...I'm looking forward to the product.

I'll probably (*PROBABLY) buy it at some point. Though a hundred of anything is a lot to give for basically disc 3 and a shortened documentary.

I don't own a turn table anymore, ,but i could see the merits of this for someone better set in their careers...or a family man etc.

All the other gimmicks. ..might be cool to look at. But why charge for VINTAGE rates? ...i mean if they're recreating programmes etc ....it's not like it's an original from 77. Where does this extra $40-50 come in?

Wouldn't they also know that excessive pricing DETERS people from purchasing the product?
Hell...if it were priced at something like $50-55 (*45 on sale) these things would actually probably CHART ...i could see NON ENTHUSIASTS going. ...OH COOL my kids might dig this. It's PEPPERED with great options. And if immediately sold at BEST BUY etc. ..m they'd probably sell quick enough to deter as much bootlegging....instead it's likely they'll stay in a storage location somewhere and become a failed catalogue album from the past, after which nobody will even bother to pursue shutting down public dispersal on YouTube etc
Etc etc.

Non fans would be impressed with the package (teenagers).....but which of them would shelve out the dough?


They'll likely just bootleg it like half of our intrepid QZ'ERS.



I think the more principled approach would be to ignore it ENTIRELY. ....but who am i to say?

:-/

I mean. ..i don't support bootlegging unless it's absolutely completely out of print.

And as that regards my other favorite artist PRINCE. ....i hate the bootleggers cranking out digi pack copies of original albums for fans that abandoned him after Purple Rain.

But i digress (and am angered)

I realize i write too much. Sorry folks.

aristide1 wrote:

Brian: "We have a new vinyl mastering, which comes straight off the mix tapes as opposed to off copies of the mix tapes. So this is the most faithful reproduction of those master mixes ever."

So this is the problem - vinyl mastering from copies, instead of the original mix tapes. Wow! I always thought the problem of recent vinyls is digitally fucked sound. My mistake.

I'm confused, so the vinyl release from 1977 was from copies of the mix tapes and the vinyl in the box set is from the masters?

Barry Durex wrote:

aristide1 wrote:

Brian: "We have a new vinyl mastering, which comes straight off the mix tapes as opposed to off copies of the mix tapes. So this is the most faithful reproduction of those master mixes ever."

So this is the problem - vinyl mastering from copies, instead of the original mix tapes. Wow! I always thought the problem of recent vinyls is digitally fucked sound. My mistake.

I'm confused, so the vinyl release from 1977 was from copies of the mix tapes and the vinyl in the box set is from the masters?

Copies will have been made of the mixtape to send out to vinyl pressing plants around the world.
The actual master mixtape would remain with EMI.
Of course, it's entirely more likely that they made a copy or towo of the master mixtape as back-ups and it was THOSE that were then copied again and sent to pressing plants.

They've already made digital back-ups of the master mixtape now, so maybe they feel brave enough to send that original tape to the pressing plant?

Either way, it's still the same bloody album released in 1977. Might be a bit clearer, if you can detect it over the natural sounds vinyl makes.
Personally I'd rather they skipped the inclusion of the LP and reduced the price of the box by £20.

If anyone´s interested, Amazon.it has it already on pre-order at a slightly lower price (EUR 99) than Amazon UK

^Give me a 20-30 euro edition featuring 2-3 CDs with the main stuff and I may be interested. Otherwise, I'm keeping my money.

Golden Salmon wrote:

^Give me a 20-30 euro edition featuring 2-3 CDs with the main stuff and I may be interested. Otherwise, I'm keeping my money.

Hear! hear!

They nailed the packaging this time, though.

Whilst there have been comments that we haven't got a 5.1 mix because they've lost the multi-track tapes, just to mention that the press release states:

"Mined deep from long-vaulted studio multi-track tapes..."

In addition, fact that some of the alternate versions have been created using some of the same takes as the album versions but with different guitar or vocal or other parts, also intimates they have the multi-tracks to have been able to do this?