IanR
I'm wondering if they were re-mixing WATC for the video (the so-called extra guitar mix)?
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Vocal harmony
^^^ could be. Or could it be a day's filming in a studio just for documentary footage that they needed to complete the recording of the album scenes at the time.
So not a genuine recording or mixing session, just a staged event.
So not a genuine recording or mixing session, just a staged event.
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
^^^ could be. Or could it be a day's filming in a studio just for documentary footage that they needed to complete the recording of the album scenes at the time.
So not a genuine recording or mixing session, just a staged event. [/QUOTE]
Bingo!
^^^ could be. Or could it be a day's filming in a studio just for documentary footage that they needed to complete the recording of the album scenes at the time.
So not a genuine recording or mixing session, just a staged event. [/QUOTE]
Bingo!
Togg
Is that what we actually think? seems a bit like hard work doing it all again just for the doc, if the gear was in the studio at the time maybe, but they wouldnt bother bringing it all back again surely?
I would think it's genuine? it could have been any of the tracks that they were working on at the time it just happened to be that one, at the time they would have had no idea it was going to turn out to be one of the biggest Queen hits.
Do we know it was staged or was that just spectulation?
I would think it's genuine? it could have been any of the tracks that they were working on at the time it just happened to be that one, at the time they would have had no idea it was going to turn out to be one of the biggest Queen hits.
Do we know it was staged or was that just spectulation?
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
seems a bit like hard work doing it all again just for the doc, [/QUOTE]
They were hard working lads after all.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
if the gear was in the studio at the time maybe, but they wouldnt bother bringing it all back again surely?[/QUOTE]
Why not? They'd been moving gear around all the time for years anyway. Moreover, they could've just taken the drum set, Brian's guitar and John's bass and that was it. It would've been the same investment as going to a live gig. Most of the gear, including the piano, would be what was housed in the studio.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
I would think it's genuine?[/QUOTE]
Wishful thinking.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
Do we know it was staged or was that just spectulation?[/QUOTE]
Do we know it was genuine or was that just speculation?
seems a bit like hard work doing it all again just for the doc, [/QUOTE]
They were hard working lads after all.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
if the gear was in the studio at the time maybe, but they wouldnt bother bringing it all back again surely?[/QUOTE]
Why not? They'd been moving gear around all the time for years anyway. Moreover, they could've just taken the drum set, Brian's guitar and John's bass and that was it. It would've been the same investment as going to a live gig. Most of the gear, including the piano, would be what was housed in the studio.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
I would think it's genuine?[/QUOTE]
Wishful thinking.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
Do we know it was staged or was that just spectulation?[/QUOTE]
Do we know it was genuine or was that just speculation?
Vocal harmony
The BBC were filming the documentary. They would have been working to time and financial constraints. Would they have had a crew on call, through out the time spent in the studio just to capture certain moments.
The Sheperton rehearsals are genuine, the film crew would have had a block of time to film what they needed. The various interviews, such as Freddie's would have been done in a day or less. In the case of John maybe an hour on the way to Sheperton, or less. The gigs in the states maybe a week or less for the film crew.
The studio would have been different, from day to day, a lot of playing one day more talking the next. Several days on one thing. It would be a lot of work for the film crew with possibly not much return. The answer would be to hire a studio for a day and stage a days work. It may even have been on the last days recording or mixing.
No we don't know for certain but everyone is asking is it the album sessions or Maida Vale sessions. I believe that this is a possibility alternative.
The Sheperton rehearsals are genuine, the film crew would have had a block of time to film what they needed. The various interviews, such as Freddie's would have been done in a day or less. In the case of John maybe an hour on the way to Sheperton, or less. The gigs in the states maybe a week or less for the film crew.
The studio would have been different, from day to day, a lot of playing one day more talking the next. Several days on one thing. It would be a lot of work for the film crew with possibly not much return. The answer would be to hire a studio for a day and stage a days work. It may even have been on the last days recording or mixing.
No we don't know for certain but everyone is asking is it the album sessions or Maida Vale sessions. I believe that this is a possibility alternative.
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
No we don't know for certain but everyone is asking is it the album sessions or Maida Vale sessions. I believe that this is a possibility alternative.[/QUOTE]
In fact, it's quite a realistic and likely possibility.
No we don't know for certain but everyone is asking is it the album sessions or Maida Vale sessions. I believe that this is a possibility alternative.[/QUOTE]
In fact, it's quite a realistic and likely possibility.
Thrill Yeti
If it's just a 'staged event', the dialogue between Freddie and the engineer is awfully realistic. Fred seems really quite creatively engaged to suggest he's doing nothing of any consequence, doesn't he?
ggo1
I have to believe they are the BBC sessions. If they are staged they are too bloody natural, fair to say acting is not something that came naturally to any of them. The mixing desk stuff without the inner sleeve could have been from anytime, but the bits with the inner sleeve would have to be after the album's running order was confirmed but not necessarily after the record was mixed and pressed. Artwork and sleeves were printed before the vinyl was pressed so that there would be something to put the vinyl into. That's just the way the manufacturing process used to work. The printers made the sleeves then delivered them to the pressing plant ready for the fresh vinyl. You wouldn't press the vinyl without a sleeve to put it in.
Thrill Yeti
I should also point out, at 9:57 into the documentary, we have the quote from Freddie which appeared at the end of the raw mix of WATC ("That was a lovely feel. That's exactly how it should be").
To me it seems likely, therefore, that the footage is indeed of the recording session, as the raw mix is presumably made up of stuff from those original sessions.
It seems less likely that whoever put together the Raw Mix went into the archives of either a staged event or an unused BBC recording of WATC and stole a quote from Fred to stick on the end of a track meant to be from the original recording sessions.
To me it seems likely, therefore, that the footage is indeed of the recording session, as the raw mix is presumably made up of stuff from those original sessions.
It seems less likely that whoever put together the Raw Mix went into the archives of either a staged event or an unused BBC recording of WATC and stole a quote from Fred to stick on the end of a track meant to be from the original recording sessions.
Togg
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
seems a bit like hard work doing it all again just for the doc, [/QUOTE]
They were hard working lads after all.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
if the gear was in the studio at the time maybe, but they wouldnt bother bringing it all back again surely?[/QUOTE]
Why not? They'd been moving gear around all the time for years anyway. Moreover, they could've just taken the drum set, Brian's guitar and John's bass and that was it. It would've been the same investment as going to a live gig. Most of the gear, including the piano, would be what was housed in the studio.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
I would think it's genuine?[/QUOTE]
Wishful thinking.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
Do we know it was staged or was that just spectulation?[/QUOTE]
Do we know it was genuine or was that just speculation?[/QUOTE]
I can see no reason for doing that? Bob Harris followed them for months why couldn't the cameras be there at the right time it was done while they were working on it so??
I think the take we saw was either the backing track they would play to afterwards individually or was the take they used for guitar.
You can hear piano on the drum takes from what i've heard online, but there no way you could have recorded the kit like that without massive spill from the guitar.
What reason do you have for thinking that? As always the simplest answer is usually the correct one,and in this case the simplest answer is they filmed them working...
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
seems a bit like hard work doing it all again just for the doc, [/QUOTE]
They were hard working lads after all.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
if the gear was in the studio at the time maybe, but they wouldnt bother bringing it all back again surely?[/QUOTE]
Why not? They'd been moving gear around all the time for years anyway. Moreover, they could've just taken the drum set, Brian's guitar and John's bass and that was it. It would've been the same investment as going to a live gig. Most of the gear, including the piano, would be what was housed in the studio.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
I would think it's genuine?[/QUOTE]
Wishful thinking.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
Do we know it was staged or was that just spectulation?[/QUOTE]
Do we know it was genuine or was that just speculation?[/QUOTE]
I can see no reason for doing that? Bob Harris followed them for months why couldn't the cameras be there at the right time it was done while they were working on it so??
I think the take we saw was either the backing track they would play to afterwards individually or was the take they used for guitar.
You can hear piano on the drum takes from what i've heard online, but there no way you could have recorded the kit like that without massive spill from the guitar.
What reason do you have for thinking that? As always the simplest answer is usually the correct one,and in this case the simplest answer is they filmed them working...
Togg
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
The BBC were filming the documentary. They would have been working to time and financial constraints. Would they have had a crew on call, through out the time spent in the studio just to capture certain moments.
No, the crew just happened to be about, probably orgenised on a day when all four were in he studio and it happened to be that day.
Months before they would have worked with John Reid to sort out dates that would be worth filming on tour and in the studio so why not just go and do it, after the band had finished they wouldn't have time to set it all up again and re-do it, that would be pointless after it was only done weeks prior.
The BBC were filming the documentary. They would have been working to time and financial constraints. Would they have had a crew on call, through out the time spent in the studio just to capture certain moments.
No, the crew just happened to be about, probably orgenised on a day when all four were in he studio and it happened to be that day.
Months before they would have worked with John Reid to sort out dates that would be worth filming on tour and in the studio so why not just go and do it, after the band had finished they wouldn't have time to set it all up again and re-do it, that would be pointless after it was only done weeks prior.
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
I can see no reason for doing that?
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These things do not depend on whether you (or I, or anyone for that matter) can or cannot see a reason for doing them. They just are, or aren't.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
Bob Harris followed them for months why couldn't the cameras be there at the right time it was done while they were working on it so??
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Of course they could, but they also could've been there while they were staging a re-creation after the fact.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
I think the take we saw was either the backing track they would play to afterwards individually or was the take they used for guitar.
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They could've easily mimed to an already existing backing track.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
What reason do you have for thinking that?
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It wouldn't be the first or last time such a thing is staged (in general ... I'm not talking about Queen particularly), it was suspicious not to see Mike doing the mix with them, etc., etc.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
As always the simplest answer is usually the correct one
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Make up your mind: 'always' or 'usually'?
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
in this case the simplest answer is they filmed them working...
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Sure: they could've filmed them while working on staging a recreation of what their (not filmed) recording sessions had been like.
For the record, I'm not saying I'm absolutely positively one-hundred-percent certain it's staged, I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if it were and, if I were to wager on it, I'd say (based on my completely unqualified perspective) it's more likely to have been staged. Whether they would admit it or not is obviously another story... They're yet to acknowledge the 'Live Killers' overdubs, for instance.
I can see no reason for doing that?
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These things do not depend on whether you (or I, or anyone for that matter) can or cannot see a reason for doing them. They just are, or aren't.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
Bob Harris followed them for months why couldn't the cameras be there at the right time it was done while they were working on it so??
[/QUOTE]
Of course they could, but they also could've been there while they were staging a re-creation after the fact.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
I think the take we saw was either the backing track they would play to afterwards individually or was the take they used for guitar.
[/QUOTE]
They could've easily mimed to an already existing backing track.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
What reason do you have for thinking that?
[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't be the first or last time such a thing is staged (in general ... I'm not talking about Queen particularly), it was suspicious not to see Mike doing the mix with them, etc., etc.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
As always the simplest answer is usually the correct one
[/QUOTE]
Make up your mind: 'always' or 'usually'?
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
in this case the simplest answer is they filmed them working...
[/QUOTE]
Sure: they could've filmed them while working on staging a recreation of what their (not filmed) recording sessions had been like.
For the record, I'm not saying I'm absolutely positively one-hundred-percent certain it's staged, I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if it were and, if I were to wager on it, I'd say (based on my completely unqualified perspective) it's more likely to have been staged. Whether they would admit it or not is obviously another story... They're yet to acknowledge the 'Live Killers' overdubs, for instance.
Chopin1995
I don't know if this can help but I'm just reading DOOL documentary notes and let me quote this - "We Are The Champions 2011: In 1977, cameras filmed Queen recording a new version of the song for the promo video. This video shows the band performing and mixing this unreleased version in two live takes. An instrumental version of this closed Part One of ‘Days of our Lives’. Here for the first time the video can be seen in its entirety."
Taken from - http://www.queenonline.com/news/press-release-days-our-lives-dvdblu-ray-release?prev_filter=11-2011
Taken from - http://www.queenonline.com/news/press-release-days-our-lives-dvdblu-ray-release?prev_filter=11-2011
Sebastian
Interesting indeed. Thanks for the input.
Perhaps, and this is just guesswork, they'd initially considered shooting a video similar to the 'Somebody to Love' one, then they probably thought it'd be better to have another version of the song for the single and/or video, and then they scrapped the idea and thought of filming it with a crowd and simply miming to the album version.
Perhaps, and this is just guesswork, they'd initially considered shooting a video similar to the 'Somebody to Love' one, then they probably thought it'd be better to have another version of the song for the single and/or video, and then they scrapped the idea and thought of filming it with a crowd and simply miming to the album version.