aristide1
Sebastian, contrary to your expectations, these endless phrase by phrase pseudo-informed and pseudo-logical comments are boring beyond imagination.
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Sebastian
Don't read them, then. Simple as that.
Thrill Yeti
The Top of the pops version does have some different guitar bits, so maybe that's what they were doing? As Top of the Pops is a BBC programme, might also explain why this session has been described as a 'BBC' one, even though there is no conventional BBC WATC.
Sebastian
Good point.
cmi
As these guitar bits appeared in 'raw sessions' mix they most probably from actual recording of the song for the album. Hopefully we'll find some recording details in the book inside the box set.
dysan
The sleeve question: I'd also point out that it wasn't out of the question back then that the artwork was completed ahead of the recording - complete with tracklisting. I know of a few examples of this, including Sparks (1976) and Toyah. I'd say it's unlikely in this case, but possible. I can't imagine the strain put on the band in this scenario!
Holly2003
C&P from another thread:
This is what Rhys Thomas said in that 2012 Q&A on reddit (about the Harrris documentary and the 77 NOTW tour):
"My Melancholy Blues and bits of It's Late as well as Champions are all. These were filmed at the recording for the BBC Sessions rather than the actual record."
This is what Rhys Thomas said in that 2012 Q&A on reddit (about the Harrris documentary and the 77 NOTW tour):
"My Melancholy Blues and bits of It's Late as well as Champions are all. These were filmed at the recording for the BBC Sessions rather than the actual record."
Togg
That's interesting and I guess seals it
Togg
It must have been a total ball ache having to re-do all your bloody work just for the BBC, I'm amazing artists had the time given they were touring back then immediately the recording finished.
Seb's comment about Mike not being there was the olny thing that made me wonder if it was staged, but it's much more convincing as a re-recording, it all seemed too 'real' to be staged for the cameras and too much effort for a BBC doc. Nevertheless it's a great peice of film actually capturing some magic moments of them in the studio
Seb's comment about Mike not being there was the olny thing that made me wonder if it was staged, but it's much more convincing as a re-recording, it all seemed too 'real' to be staged for the cameras and too much effort for a BBC doc. Nevertheless it's a great peice of film actually capturing some magic moments of them in the studio
IanR
Except it doesn't since WATC was recorded in a different studio (not Madia Vale #4), on a different day with a different producer (Gary Langan / Jeff Griffin).
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
It must have been a total ball ache having to re-do all your bloody work just for the BBC, I'm amazing artists had the time given they were touring back then immediately the recording finished.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Miming is not that hard. It would've taken them an evening, if that. Just a day in the office.
The first time they recorded the song it may have taken them weeks as they discussed every detail, learnt the parts they were coming up with, experimented with ideas - some of which were discarded - and generally tidied it up. But for a recreation, it's much, much, much easier: they can mime to an already existing backing track (that'd take them less than ten minutes for a couple of takes), mime the backing vocals, spend some minutes in the control room discussing mixing ideas. It's like doing a crossword puzzle when you already know the answers.
Bits of the 'One Vision' video may have been taken from the actual recording of the song, but the majority of it is just staged (the promo film for the song, I mean, not the Magic Years / GVHII bit). For 'Somebody to Love', all of it is staged - they mimed to what they'd already recorded days or weeks prior.
It's happened to other bands as well: 'Who Are You' is chiefly re-recorded (again, not a massive effort since they'd done it before and already knew the song) but the bass and synth are from the original cut, they're just miming to them; 'I Can't Tell You Why' is also a recreation (Glenn is even miming to a different instrument to the one he recorded); the director of Pink Floyd's 'Live at Pompeii' wanted footage of them recording in the studio but they'd already finished 'Dark Side' by that point, so what they did was book EMI (Abbey Road), go in there and pretend they were adding overdubs as well as have another go at some mixes and whatnot. Again, not a massive amount of work considering they knew very well what they were doing.
Creating takes time, re-creating... not so much.
It must have been a total ball ache having to re-do all your bloody work just for the BBC, I'm amazing artists had the time given they were touring back then immediately the recording finished.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Miming is not that hard. It would've taken them an evening, if that. Just a day in the office.
The first time they recorded the song it may have taken them weeks as they discussed every detail, learnt the parts they were coming up with, experimented with ideas - some of which were discarded - and generally tidied it up. But for a recreation, it's much, much, much easier: they can mime to an already existing backing track (that'd take them less than ten minutes for a couple of takes), mime the backing vocals, spend some minutes in the control room discussing mixing ideas. It's like doing a crossword puzzle when you already know the answers.
Bits of the 'One Vision' video may have been taken from the actual recording of the song, but the majority of it is just staged (the promo film for the song, I mean, not the Magic Years / GVHII bit). For 'Somebody to Love', all of it is staged - they mimed to what they'd already recorded days or weeks prior.
It's happened to other bands as well: 'Who Are You' is chiefly re-recorded (again, not a massive effort since they'd done it before and already knew the song) but the bass and synth are from the original cut, they're just miming to them; 'I Can't Tell You Why' is also a recreation (Glenn is even miming to a different instrument to the one he recorded); the director of Pink Floyd's 'Live at Pompeii' wanted footage of them recording in the studio but they'd already finished 'Dark Side' by that point, so what they did was book EMI (Abbey Road), go in there and pretend they were adding overdubs as well as have another go at some mixes and whatnot. Again, not a massive amount of work considering they knew very well what they were doing.
Creating takes time, re-creating... not so much.
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dysan
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Ta.
Ta.
dysan
Also - XTC had a documentary about recording a song called Towers Of London at The Manor studios. For years fans were confused by what they did in the film as no other versions of the track emerged. They assumed it was staged.
Then lo and behold, the version appeared on a boxset - totally rerecorded!
Then lo and behold, the version appeared on a boxset - totally rerecorded!
Togg
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
It must have been a total ball ache having to re-do all your bloody work just for the BBC, I'm amazing artists had the time given they were touring back then immediately the recording finished.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Miming is not that hard. It would've taken them an evening, if that. Just a day in the office.
The first time they recorded the song it may have taken them weeks as they discussed every detail, learnt the parts they were coming up with, experimented with ideas - some of which were discarded - and generally tidied it up. But for a recreation, it's much, much, much easier:
I don't really agree there, working in a studio is bloody slow at the best of times, and trying to re-create something can take a very long time indeed, certainly not an evening.... that is just not accurate at all, just getting the right drum sounds takes hours of work, don't forget these are versions that will get aired to millions of viewers back in the 70s so they would have wanted them to sound as close as possible to the original in terms of quality.
You don't simply walk in play it and go. I've spent weeks in studios working on one track that was already played a thousand times by the band beforehand.
Studio time for a band like Queen with people like Brian May in the 70's was long long days and lots of hours of nothing much happening, Roger would go in 1-2 days before the rest of the band just to get the drum sound, so imagine trying to create that again in an afternoon.... sorry not possible unless you just don't give a shit
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
It must have been a total ball ache having to re-do all your bloody work just for the BBC, I'm amazing artists had the time given they were touring back then immediately the recording finished.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Miming is not that hard. It would've taken them an evening, if that. Just a day in the office.
The first time they recorded the song it may have taken them weeks as they discussed every detail, learnt the parts they were coming up with, experimented with ideas - some of which were discarded - and generally tidied it up. But for a recreation, it's much, much, much easier:
I don't really agree there, working in a studio is bloody slow at the best of times, and trying to re-create something can take a very long time indeed, certainly not an evening.... that is just not accurate at all, just getting the right drum sounds takes hours of work, don't forget these are versions that will get aired to millions of viewers back in the 70s so they would have wanted them to sound as close as possible to the original in terms of quality.
You don't simply walk in play it and go. I've spent weeks in studios working on one track that was already played a thousand times by the band beforehand.
Studio time for a band like Queen with people like Brian May in the 70's was long long days and lots of hours of nothing much happening, Roger would go in 1-2 days before the rest of the band just to get the drum sound, so imagine trying to create that again in an afternoon.... sorry not possible unless you just don't give a shit