You seem to keep misunderstanding my point... they were re-creating the VISUALS so there'd be footage of them PRETENDING to be recording what they'd ALREADY tracked. They did NOT need the final product to sound polished and as close to the released version, because they'd simply bring the audio from the released version (or a version with some minor mixing changes or a couple of overdubs which would indeed take an evening).
There are quite a few different aspects which are being discussed here:
- Does the 'Champions' footage come from the actual recording/mixing process of the version of the song we all know?
- Is it possible for a band to re-record a song in one day?
- Is it possible for a band to re-create (for film) and act like they're recording when they're actually not?
All of those are different matters and, again, I'm not saying the 'Champions' recording video is definitely staged, I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if it were, and indeed it's not a process that would take them weeks to do.
If the audio comes from an already existing source (in this case, the already existing and already mixed recording), then it is indeed just walk in, play and go. They don't need to spend days testing the mic positions on the drums because they're not gonna use those tracks at all. They'll only use the visuals and sync them with the already existing mix (or a slight variation of it, which could've indeed taken them an evening).
dysan · Member since
Wouldn't it be funny if it all turned out to be footage from them recording it for ANATO
Sebastian · Member since
Well, that'd be a possibility as well.
Togg · Member since
We've already established that this is footage from the BBC sessions "This is what Rhys Thomas said in that 2012 Q&A on reddit (about the Harrris documentary and the 77 NOTW tour):
"My Melancholy Blues and bits of It's Late as well as Champions are all. These were filmed at the recording for the BBC Sessions rather than the actual record."
So they weren't doing visuals, they were working on the alternative version for those sessions. Or am I missing something here? There are mics on the kit and amps, they are re-doing the tracks, now the clips we see are mainly early run throughs in the case of the four playing together but that is what is being filmed
So what I'm saying is firstly they would have to re-record everything pretty much from scratch, as it was for a 'new' recording specifically for the BBC, My second aside/point was that given the unions required another version played on shows like Top Of The Pops it must have been a all ache having to do that after you've already finished what you feel to be the definative version, often it was simply a re-mix but nevertheless a pain in the arse.
Biggus Dickus · Member since
There is footage from two different studios. If all the material was from the BBC sessions, why would they have used two different studios?
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
So they weren't doing visuals, they were working on the alternative version for those sessions.[/QUOTE]
On 'It's Late' and 'Melancholy Blues' they could be working on alternative versions, on 'Champions' they could've been doing that as well... or they could've been staging an acted recreation of the recordings for the doco, similar to what Pink Floyd had done for the studio segment of the Pompeii film.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
So they weren't doing visuals, they were working on the alternative version for those sessions. Or am I missing something here? There are mics on the kit and amps, they are re-doing the tracks[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. They may have been doing that, or they may have been staging the 'Champions' bit. Not that difficult, really.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
So what I'm saying is firstly they would have to re-record everything pretty much from scratch, as it was for a 'new' recording specifically for the BBC[/QUOTE]
No. They *could* do that if they wanted to (and in some cases they probably did) but they also could've used pre-existing backing tracks and added a few overdubs and that was it. That's what they'd done for some earlier BBC sessions ('Doing All Right' pretty much preserves the backing track but has different overdubs, 'My Fairy King' is chiefly a re-mix of the Trident version).
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
often it was simply a re-mix but nevertheless a pain in the arse.[/QUOTE]
Even if that were the case, that wouldn't preclude them from being able to stage (either parts of or all of) the studio footage. That's my point.
Togg · Member since
Okay I grant you that they could simply have jumped on the kit and guitar to give the crew something is certainly possible, sure anything's possible, Kenndy could have been shot from the Grassy Knowl...
But I feel the more likely senario is the cameras caught the process of them compiling the alternate versions with the original tapes as both a guide, and to drop in parts that were too time consuming to re-do
(Brians multiple guitar parts for one) And what we see is a mixture of that process, the footage of them all playing is clearly a run through and Freddie saying "That's a lovely feel, exactly as it should be" (or whatever he says,) is clearly a natural commment giving direction which is not something he'd say if it were just for the cameras. And the nail in the coffin for me is that is what he says at the end of the 'Alternate version' just released.... so clearly the tapes were running at that point...
dysan · Member since
As Sebastian says, if it's 2 studios and has been confirmed to be the BBC session - that in a way backs up what I've been saying for years that the 77 BBC session was primarily done at Wessex.
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
Okay I grant you that they could simply have jumped on the kit and guitar to give the crew something[/QUOTE]
That's my point. Now, whether they actually did that or not is open to debate and mostly I agree with you there.
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
Freddie saying "That's a lovely feel, exactly as it should be" (or whatever he says,) is clearly a natural commment giving direction which is not something he'd say if it were just for the cameras.[/QUOTE]
Why not? Would the universe implode if he uttered those words in front of a camera? Again, I'm not saying that part is staged, I'm just saying it easily could be and I wouldn't be surprised either way.
Biggus Dickus · Member since
That "That's a lovely feel, exactly as it should be" comment seemed to me that it was just added on top of the footage, not being a part of the original audio.
Togg · Member since
It's definately not added to the video footage, whether or not they slipped it on the end of the 'alternate version' is I guess open to debate, but really, why bother? it didn't need it and seems like just more hassle to try to make something seem real, when it clearly is a real alternate version anyway.
i take your points Seb, sure yes all things are possible, I feel this video seems much more natural that the One Vision footage, with that, I personally feel the Roger and snare beats part are real, the snippet of Brian playing is real, and the rest done for the film crew.
I'm correct in thinking the Champions track didn't end up on a BBC sessions recording no? I wonder why?
Chopin1995 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
That "That's a lovely feel, exactly as it should be" comment seemed to me that it was just added on top of the footage, not being a part of the original audio. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, I also think it was added. What's more after the last chord (just before this comment) Freddie plays some passage but it looks different to what he plays on the video. It sounds like he plays F minor arpeggiated chords but it looks like he plays something completely different on the video. I'm talking about BBC4 version (9:55), I don't know if DVD version is the same at this moment.
Biggus Dickus · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Chopin1995 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
That "That's a lovely feel, exactly as it should be" comment seemed to me that it was just added on top of the footage, not being a part of the original audio. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, I also think it was added. What's more after the last chord (just before this comment) Freddie plays some passage but it looks different to what he plays on the video. It sounds like he plays F minor arpeggiated chords but it looks like he plays something completely different on the video. I'm talking about BBC4 version (9:55), I don't know if DVD version is the same at this moment.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. His playing doesn't match the audio. And if you look carefully, Freddie's mouth isn't even moving in sync with the 'lovely feel' comment.
Chopin1995 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Chopin1995 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
That "That's a lovely feel, exactly as it should be" comment seemed to me that it was just added on top of the footage, not being a part of the original audio. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, I also think it was added. What's more after the last chord (just before this comment) Freddie plays some passage but it looks different to what he plays on the video. It sounds like he plays F minor arpeggiated chords but it looks like he plays something completely different on the video. I'm talking about BBC4 version (9:55), I don't know if DVD version is the same at this moment.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. His playing doesn't match the audio. And if you look carefully, Freddie's mouth isn't even moving in sync with the 'lovely feel' comment.[/QUOTE]
And when he is saying "that's" he just smiles on the video.
MercurialFreddie · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Chopin1995 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Chopin1995 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
That "That's a lovely feel, exactly as it should be" comment seemed to me that it was just added on top of the footage, not being a part of the original audio. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, I also think it was added. What's more after the last chord (just before this comment) Freddie plays some passage but it looks different to what he plays on the video. It sounds like he plays F minor arpeggiated chords but it looks like he plays something completely different on the video. I'm talking about BBC4 version (9:55), I don't know if DVD version is the same at this moment.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. His playing doesn't match the audio. And if you look carefully, Freddie's mouth isn't even moving in sync with the 'lovely feel' comment.[/QUOTE]
And when he is saying "that's" he just smiles on the video.
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It is strange as when you look closely, the passage starts but Freddie's hands are not moving. In the 2011 docu, the bit "that's a lovely feel" is not there at all. Either something happened to the original audio track or this is QPL meddling with everything because they feel it's their right to do.
