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[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]

Oh another observation. You've got exactly the same 'lovely feel'-comment by Freddie at the end of WATC raw version, yet the piano bits he plays in that after the song are completely different to the bits he plays at the documentary after the song. How is this possible? Wasn't it said that the WATC-footage was filmed during the BBC session? How could two different session have exactly the same comment by Freddie? It's so fishy it ranks.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! Two different renditions but the comment is exactly the same at the documentary and in the Raw Sessions CD.

[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]

As for the piano, I can't see any point where his keys are not making a sound, maybe your audio needs adjusting, there's faint key noise all along the run, and the hand shapes all seem fine to me (however I'm not much of a keyboard player)[/QUOTE]

I play the piano more than 10 years (about half of my life), and believe me, Freddie plays completely different thing on the video than what we hear.

If you want more details just read my post from 24 Nov 17, 12:38.

For some reason I can't post a pic and write in the same post today...

Anyway, I have to take issue with the 'smile' cleaning it up and blowing it up, I 100% disagree, the light could be something in the background or a flare on the side of his face, teeth...naaa, sorry don't buy it at all, but on the 100 to 1 shot it is his teeth, there no possible way you can look at that and say he's smiling.... that is just rubbish, you simply can't tell what he's doing from this shot


Regarding the RAW trake, sure I agree it's a different ending, but wait, the RAW track is made up of dozens of elements, guitar solos, extra vocals, it's a finished track, so they played it together 2-10 times maybe and cobbled together all the parts, when done they probably had four or five different endings that weren't used, nothing strange there, the RAW has Rogers tom being struck at the end as well, that's not on the video, but for whatever reason someone decided to keep the comments at the end of one of the takes, I don't see why this proves anything other than they did multiple takes which you can tell by listening to it anyway, unless there are 8 Brian May's in there.

I see what you're saying, but I don't agree, I see a multi track tape having been mixed down to 1/4 inch for the alternate version on the RAW disc, and one single take on the video, nothing more sinister than that.

But the conclusion is: the audio and video sources could easily be different and come from different sessions (one of which may not have been filmed), and loads of people would still fall for it. They could've also be pretending to have been mixing it for the first time, for the cameras to capture a recreation and make the doco more appealing. Just like Pink Floyd did.

Is not just at the end of the song that what you hear is different from what's being played. Throughout the video there are parts where you see Freddie playing one thing and the audio doesn't match.

"But the conclusion is: the audio and video sources could easily be different and come from different sessions (one of which may not have been filmed), and loads of people would still fall for it. They could've also be pretending to have been mixing it for the first time, for the cameras to capture a recreation and make the doco more appealing. Just like Pink Floyd did."

Agreed to a point, clearly what they are playing is in there, you can hear elements different to the final (official version) of what both Roger and Brian are doing that you can see them play, but certainly it may have been fiddled with in places. But, you like to deal in facts Seb, and the fact is this is only speculation, which makes for an interesting debate but doesn't hold water unless it can be proved,

The RAW version is a multitrack mix, made up of dozens of takes and snippets as you'd expect, the video is basically one take, with the 'possibility' that a few moments have been cleaned up, I am confident that elements of what you see has ended up on the RAW mix

[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]

For some reason I can't post a pic and write in the same post today...

Anyway, I have to take issue with the 'smile' cleaning it up and blowing it up, I 100% disagree, the light could be something in the background or a flare on the side of his face, teeth...naaa, sorry don't buy it at all, but on the 100 to 1 shot it is his teeth, there no possible way you can look at that and say he's smiling.... that is just rubbish, you simply can't tell what he's doing from this shot
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I'm not 100% sure what he is doing at this moment but I still think that what we see is different to what we hear. It's easier to notice this while watching the video rather than from one screenshot. Like I said Freddie's piano playing is different, and with this I'm as sure as it can get, becuase I just see this. I belive that the rest of this segment (the 'infamous' comment) is different as well. Beginning from the last piano passage audio is from the other recording. This is my theory which is different to yours. I respect your theory so disagreement is the only solution here and let's leave it as it is.


[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]

Regarding the RAW trake, sure I agree it's a different ending, but wait, the RAW track is made up of dozens of elements, guitar solos, extra vocals, it's a finished track, so they played it together 2-10 times maybe and cobbled together all the parts, when done they probably had four or five different endings that weren't used, nothing strange there, the RAW has Rogers tom being struck at the end as well, that's not on the video, but for whatever reason someone decided to keep the comments at the end of one of the takes, I don't see why this proves anything other than they did multiple takes which you can tell by listening to it anyway, unless there are 8 Brian May's in there.[/QUOTE]

Here on the other hand, I can agree.

[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]

the fact is this is only speculation
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The same can be said about nearly everything. It is only speculation that I'm writing these lines and that some people are reading them - how can we prove we're not hallucinating?

The point is, going back to the start of this discussion, Vocal Harmony used the modal verb 'could,' clearly making the distinction between a possibility and a certainty. Let's go to the next messages (omitting those simply saying things like 'Bingo' or 'I agree'):

- No we don't know for certain but everyone is asking is it the album sessions or Maida Vale sessions. I believe that this is a possibility alternative.

- In fact, it's quite a realistic and likely possibility.

- They could've easily mimed to an already existing backing track.

- For the record, I'm not saying I'm absolutely positively one-hundred-percent certain it's staged, I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if it were and, if I were to wager on it, I'd say (based on my completely unqualified perspective) it's more likely to have been staged.

"- No we don't know for certain but everyone is asking is it the album sessions or Maida Vale sessions. I believe that this is a possibility alternative."

Why do you keep bye-passing what Rhys said is was? I thought we had established when this was done?

"We've already established that this is footage from the BBC sessions "This is what Rhys Thomas said in that 2012 Q&A on reddit (about the Harrris documentary and the 77 NOTW tour):"

I just watched the DVD-version and they've cut the bit of Freddie saying the bit about lovely feel we have been discussing. Also some of the stuff that was on the BBC-version isn't on this official release. The question/answers about how their solo albums would be wasn't included. It's really annoying that they didn't include all the material that was on the BBC-version to this DVD-version. They did this with The Great Pretender documentary as well. There were little bits missing and stuff that wasn't included between all of the versions of that documentary. Hell, even the version they showed in Finnish TV had bits that neither the official version or the BBC-version had. It's ridiculous. I also noticed that they somehow managed to hide Freddie's voice breaking during Champions filmed in Houston, when he sings 'I ain't gonna LOSE'. Maybe they have the multitracks after all?

Wow, what is the point of doing that?

I don't know whey they cut stuff out? surely it would have been better to include it all and add new parts? I thought maybe it was cut to fit into a run time, but seems unlikely given it was for a DVD