brian and roger didn't create queen

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]BHM 0271 wrote: [/QUOTENAME] If John goes on the road with the guys from Morris Minor and the Majors, is he going out as Queen? [/QUOTE]
He would be just as entitled to as Brian and Roger are. (that would be sooooo cool by the way - Morris Minor kicked ass!)
Just look at the beach boys - there are a bout 7 different bands who 'legitimately' use the name.

the new tours ok, not so bad.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]ok my little beeny you hit a nerve, another thing that kills me is when people mention freddie's solo work. yes i agree mr bad guy was a failure in every way, but barcelona is one of the most original albums i ever heard. simply one of my all time favorite albums in my collection and i have over 200 CDS. The Mercury and cabella story is almost as special to me as the queen story. I know some people don't get what fred was trying to do, but there's alot of us who rank barcelona close in excellence as vintage queen. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. by the way, the great pretender, living on my own, time, and in my defence are also great. [/QUOTE]

I did not say it wasn't good, I do like these song myself(in my opinion they where brilliant), but it is a fact (in sold nr) that it had not that much of succes with the public, than the Queen repertory... of course it might have been better if he would have stayed around... but we don't know that for sure....
I do like his work with Monserat Cabalé, I actualy like her work and have a big estimation for her.

I think all 4 members contibuted a lot to the band. without Roger we wouldn't have "Funster" or "GAGA"... without John no "ABTD" or "IWTBF"... without Brian no "TYMD" or basically most of the hard songs... and without Freddie no "Bohemian Rhapsody" or most of the beautiful ballads. The fact is (and I think few people can argue with this) that each of them (Freddie, Roger, John, and Brian) palyed off of each other... in a way... they needed each other. We can see this "theory" of mine playing out on each of their solo careers. Yes, "Barcelona" was awesome (for me) but "Mr. Bad Guy" wasn't that great. Let's just say that Freddie wasn't AS succesful as when he got together with the group. Neither was Brian with his solo projects (even though I loved them) nor Roger with The Cross. I mean, if Freddie would've never egged on John to finish his western spoof song we would've never heard "...Bites The Dust" and without the rest of the band's support "BohRhap" would have never been finished and furthermore it wouldn't have lasted 5:55... hell! If it would've been left up to the label douche bags they would've cut the whole operatic bit... but it didn't... because the band stood together. And as far as Q+PR goes... I know I wrote some nasty stuff before... but they're not bad... they're not exactly my cup of tea... but they're not bad. Try and look at it this way... QUEEN MUSIC IS GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC. Thanks to Q+PR there are new Queenies being created every day. And I like to think that thanks, in part, to this new tour and all this publicity being given to it Queen and their music are more popular than ever. So if Roger and Brian want to keep using the name WHO CARES! They're not doing wrong by it... they're spreading their most awesome music throughout a world in which present day music sucks donkey dong. And anyways... Freddie did create the name and the logo but after 20 something years of creating and putting in a little bit of their soul's to Queen it's not only Freddie's, but also John, Roger, and Brian's property and if ANY of the remaining band mates wish to use the name in any endevour they can... and we, as fans of their music and out of respect for all the things they've given to us, should back them up.

P.S.- I know most of you know this, but for those who don't... Q+PR isn't even using the Queen crest. They're using a new logo. Granted it's some kind of Phoenix but it still isn't the same... and that says a lot about Brian, Roger, and Paul's respect for, not only Freddie, but us, the Queen fans, as well.

believe me when i say i know barcelona didn't sell all that great, in a way i don't understand because it's brilliant, but i also understand it's an album that's totally different and isn't going to be for everyone. I guess it will always be a hidden gem, think queen2, it's an album you don't hear about much besides a selected group who feel it's brilliant. Now, "madman" i agree with just about everything you said. even if these albums didn't sell well Barcelona= brilliance, brians solo stuff is also good. queen + paul is worth hearing. The biggest reason i'm happy their doing it is it's getting the queen name back out there, and paul is a good choice, he really is one of the all time great rock blues singers. yea, it doesn't get my blood going the way queen usually do, but it's still good music.

Yeah, I agree with you but that's not what you were talking about. When you started this message board you wanted to say that Brian and Roger didn't create Queen. Well, that may have been the case... at first. But, as I said before, after 20 something years of pouring their hearts and souls into the band (I forgot to include John in there... but yeah... him too) it belongs to them too. So all I'm saying is that even though Queen may have been the brain child of Mr. Mercury, as it evolved it became everybody's baby. I know this is not what you meant... but you kinda make it sound like the band was Freddie's... which he said himself once it was not... to be more precise "I'm not the leader of the band, I'm the lead singer..." - Freddie Mercury. Imagine if the band "belonged" to Freddie... "Hot Space" would've been called "Mr. Bad Guy".............................................................. BA-ZING!

Just kidding! ;)

ACTUALY I WAS ONE OF THE POOR ONCE HERE IN BELGIUM (SOUTH) YOUNGSTER TRATENING I AM NOT COOL WARING QUEEN SHIRTS ... THEY TOLD ME IT'S OLD FASHION THAT I SHOULD GET OVER IT... BUT SINCE THE TOUR IS ON IT ALL CHANGED AND I AM SUDDENLY THE COOLEST AND THEY ARE ALL ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT QUEEN HISTORY AND OTHER BAND OF THE TIME.....

ANYWAY I WASN'T GOING TO CHANGE FOR NOTHING IN THE WORLD...I AM A QUEEN FAN SINCE THE AGE OF 2 AND MY MUM IS STILL LAUGHIN WITH SOME PICS OF ME BANGING MY HEAD ON QUEEN MUSIC AND JIGGLING WITH MY LEGS... SHE STILL TELS IT TO EVERYONE SHE MEETS... TOLD IT THE MOST OF MY FRIENDS WHEN THEY CAME AROUND AND STILL TODAY SHE IF SHE GET THE OCCASION SHE'D TELL YOU...

I AM PROUD TO BE QUEEN FAN STIL NOW

Madman007, why is it important at all that "QUEEN MUSIC IS GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC"? With a gajillion albums sold, I don't think they need new fans. If anything, they're grotesquely overexposed in Britain and Europe. This tour doesn't validate them as an act, or their fans, can't understand that angle at all.

As for the name thing, I don't care who uses the name Queen, as I know who Queen is, but a lot of people do care. However, the appeal of (early) Queen was the band doing something new and groundbreaking. Today, Queen & PR are simply a nostalgia act, albeit one with great music. So IMHO, this incarnation of Queen doesn't reflect favourably with my vision of what the band stood for, and that doesn't mean I'm anti-PR or Brian and Roger touring. Their standards have slipped, no shame in that after 35 years.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]BHM 0271 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Madman007, why is it important at all that "QUEEN MUSIC IS GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC"? With a gajillion albums sold, I don't think they need new fans. If anything, they're grotesquely overexposed in Britain and Europe. This tour doesn't validate them as an act, or their fans, can't understand that angle at all.[/QUOTE]

You said it pal... "grotesquely overexposed in Britain and Europe." In Puerto Rico, very few people know about Queen. So for me it's kinda nice that more people get to hear about Queen down here. Even if if entices a little bit of curiosity and that helps create a new Queenie... hey! I'm happy. Here's an example: some friends of mine didn't know much about Queen... all they knew was "WATC" and "WWRY"... maybe "Under Pressure"... anywho... a tribute band from the States called Almost Queen came through the island and I made all my friends go... it was a GREAT show... they were awesome!!! By the end of the night they had all been transformed... we went in to the show 1 Queenie and 9 friends... we came out 10 Queenies. It made me so happy that I had turned people on to Queen... I don't know... in some wierd way I felt like I was giving them a gift... hasn't that happened to you? Well, I think... in some tiny way maybe... that all the publicity that's being given to the tour might turn some people over here in America.

With all this Freddie this and Freddie that crap we should all realize something.....Queen would have been nothing without Brian....Brian and Roger were in a band Smile and then Freddie who was struggling in other bands because he couldn't be superstar with them and wouldn't have success with them...joined forces with them after Smile's singer left....they called the new band Queen....was the name Freddie's idea yes but it was a group decision to agree on it....so I'm sure if some bloke on the bus suggested it to them all the credit shouldn't go to that person either....Freddie needed to surround himself with talent to be successful and he was very talented too and with Queen showed why the sum of all parts was always greater than an individual's part...........Killer Queen was also big because of the great and innovative guitar sounds....Bohemian Rhapsody wouldn't have been nearly as good if it wasn't polished up nicely by Brian, Roger, and John and had the heavy blistering part (please note many cite this as their favourite part), Somebody to Love would have been nothing without the vocal harmonies (Much Credit needs to go to Roger and Brian there)and so on and so on and so on....Brian was/is a musical genius and really helped coach Freddie to get the most out of Freddie and his songs...........Look how lacking Freddie's solo projects were (for those who don't like rock and just like simple synth songs they may like Mr Bad Guy.......) It's not like Mr Bad Guy songs are playing all across radios everywhere....or Barcelona for that matter......let's face it - we never hear them......why because Brian and Roger and John aren't playing.........it's Queen songs that get played....songs played and written by Brian, Roger, Freddie and John.........Brian and Roger have every right to use the name - they were half the band (one is dead the other is retired) and they were there right from the start and agreed to the name way back then too (personally I still question why but people may question why the beatles called themselves the beatles.....after all it's only a name and the name became the band - I'm pleased that Brian and Roger are using the name of the band they started all those years ago with their music

i'm not disputing what your saying, but roger and john didn't become great songwriters until the fifth album, actually they were still growing. my point is if it wasn't for two men freddie and brian or brian and freddie the band would have broke up after the 3rd album, so all this freddie crap has some merit.

and don't forget, it's proven history. Just think, since freddie's death, what have the surviving members of queen done? pretty much nothing. I mean, it's not a couple of years here, it's 14 years. It's funny people rank on one solo album that was done in the middle of his queen carreer, his songs were already huge so he was able to experiment a bit with some good and bad results. I mean imagine if it was brian that died, and freddie released two forgettable solo albums with no success everyone would have ripped him, but brian gets a free pass. anyway, when thinking about what brian and roger + john have done since 1991 it actually makes you think (it's pretty pathetic), freddie truly was the genious of queen. the others were great, but fred was an icon. History has proven it. think pre 91 and post 91 the difference in creativity in brian and roger. case closed.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]and don't forget, it's proven history. Just think, since freddie's death, what have the surviving members of queen done? pretty much nothing. [/QUOTE]
Ever heard about Made In Heaven album?

yea, with the help of freddie's songs, those are old songs genious, boy. I believe these songs were from innuendo sessions and a few older songs, unless freddie came from the dead in 1995 and recorded them.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]yea, with the help of freddie's songs, those are old songs genious, boy. I believe these songs were from innuendo sessions and a few older songs, unless freddie came from the dead in 1995 and recorded them.[/QUOTE]
1. Just listen to I Was Born To Love You on Mr. Bad Guy and Mad In Heaven. Queen ones are faaar better and it's because of what? Arrangements, yes. Who did it? Brian, Roger and John...

2. Nothing was from Innuendo session (1990), they were from Montreaux session in 1991, when Innuendo was already released- 3 of them, one written together with Brian, one written by Roger, one written by Freddie. And the rest weren't like ready old songs just picked up for an album- in some cases (Let me Live) thay had apparently only about a minute of recorded improvised lyrics and melody line that was all around the place. Thy managed to create a song out of this which IMO is bloody unbelievable...

3. No, you're right, Freddie didn't come back from the dead, they were old songs written BACK THEN but done in 1995, arranged, produced (it was so technically difficult t took them 2 years!), shaped into an album. Saying that they didn't do anything since 1991 is just... ignorant... NOW- if you said since 1995- I could almost agree with you...

4. Anyway, don't forget solo albums- Queen wasn't a platform for Brian's or Roger's new albums, they recorded them (new songs that is) under their names and IMO "Back To The Light" for instance is bloody good record... Same goes for Roger's "Happiness?". And what about "No-One But You"? I know it's only one song but than- what point are you trying to make sayng that B. R. and J. didn't do anything since 1991? As Queen if they did it would have been slaughtered by almost everyone- it is going to be if they're gonna do it now, but imagine in 1992/3...