Did Freddie wear ring(s) for performances and photos?

I need no convincing the last three years or so I have had honest reliable sources tell me and others the truth and it didn’t cost us anything but a good WiFi connection.For their generosity I truly wish them many blessings in everything they do.Good health and fun holidays ahead for them too. Hopefully try knew things and be spontaneous.

No, Hutton’s alcoholism was severe and constant. Half his book is him describing hismgetting stinking drunk. It’s thing for a college kid to drink that much, but a middle aged man?

And by the way, I don't know if I agree, with you that Moran, Phoebe etc were ”pro-Mary0, but for the sale of argument, lets say they were.

Has it occurred to you that people are ”pro-Mary” because she was worthy of that respect, while a button was not? Could it be they’re ”pro-Mary” because Hutton lied about her accusing germ of things she didn't do and they felt they should speak up for her?

Mary was fine with Freddie’s gay friends, Freddie said she was.

Freddie:

“Mary is very independent about the life I lead. But it is a kind of understanding that doesn’t come overnight. We have gone through a lot of ups and downs in our times together, but that has made our relationship all the stronger. I know a lot of people find it difficult to understand our relationship, and, yes it is an odd bond, but other people who come into our lives just have to except it. WE LOVE EACH OTHER VERY MUCH AND LOOK AFTER EACH OTHER

All my lovers ask me why they can't replace her, but it's simply impossible.Idon't feel jealous of her lovers because, of course, she has a life to lead, and so do I Basically, I try to make sure she's happy with whoever she's with AND SHE DOES THE SAME FOR ME”.

What she wasn't fine with were liggers who took advantage of him. Like Thor and Lee who show up to Garden Lodge while Freddie is sick and then accept £1000 each to go out and party, and who, are now, writing a book about how they helped Freddie troll New York where he was in all, likelihood infected,
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I'm sorry but women have to stop expecting women to be perpetually polite, and if they’re not they’re ”cold”.

IF Mary was rude to someone, isn't is possible it's because that person did something offensive to her after Freddie died?

I don't claim she’s perfectly innocent, as no person is. But it seems that your feelings about her are based on lies and jealousies from the men trying to me a as much to him as she was to him.

No it's not a mystery if she and Jim didn't get along. Hutton was jealous, and in the end, Freddie showed is devotion to her while Freddiemdod not more for Hutton than he did for his two other live-in servants. He wants to blame Mary for that. But it's not her fault. Freddie made the choices he did, and THAT IS what Hutton resents. So he decided to punish Mary for it.

I've read your posts and have seen your sources. You haven't got reliable sources. You believe Thor and Lee. and some randos on the internet. Thor and Lee started out saying that they basically knew NOTHING about Jim Hutton other than the fact that he got drunk and ”went too far” when they met him.

Thor:

”I did not know Jim Hutton well...he was a great drinking buddy although he’d go too far. I did not continue to know Jim well”.

Then when they wanted to sell a book, they suddenly started to appease the Hutton fans here and their stories started to get embellished. Sorry, but that’s not reliable. And neither is the guy who helped Hutton thieve thousands of dollars of Queen memorabilia out of Garden Lodge. NOT RELIABLE.

He never noticed any ”romantic looks” between them before they were trying to build their clout on Viller’s IG Live.

As time has gone on Thor’s stories have...evolved offer the years. NOT RELIABLE.

What I know is that their influence on Freddie in New York was not particularly healthy for Freddie.

I think Freddie wore rings in the 70s with some of his costumes. I loved his cat suits . It seemed he started turning the boys heads then too lol! Possible picking a few of them up while on tour that’s what famous rock stars do. Living life in the fast lane has consequences for them all. Unfortunately it was AIDS. They have time and money and he was partying having multiple infected partners way before 1980 I’m sure.To many people were getting it it would be impossible to know where he got it.Its really nobody’s buisness. We shouldn’t cast blame on a innocent person either.He was a grown man that wanted to celebrate his freedom like any other gay gentleman and he did so what?He looks like he took responsibility for his actions and accepted his fate like a man end of story.I never revealed my sources don’t assume it makes an ass out of you.

Not every gay man that went to the men’s clubs went down in the dungeons in the dark where things were sketchy. My uncle would take them to hotels because he traveled nice hotels.He wasn’t having sex in those dark places and a lot of other men wanna be able to see what they are doing as well.They were clean well dressed men and my uncle still got AIDS it doesn’t matter. No he couldn’t remember them all there were too many.

Agreed. Of course no one is casting blame. so I really don't know why you made this post.

And of course you’ve revealed your sources.


Chevy man: ” We shouldn’t cast blame on a innocent person either.He was a grown man that wanted to celebrate his freedom like any other gay gentleman and he did so what?He looks like he took responsibility for his actions and accepted his fate like a man end of story.I never revealed my sources don’t assume it makes an ass out of you.

Freddie didn't wear wedding band in the 70’s. Moot point.

I think when a person have bad period in life, for example an illness, that person doesn't want to be in the same house with someone whom doesn't like and with someone who are violent. Especially persons who have own place to live. Freddie certainly didn’t have to be in a relationship with Jim, he didn’t have to live with him, he didn’t have to take Jim with him to various events, on vacation to Japan, to Spain and Switzerland, Freddie didn’t have to help him build a house in Ireland, he didn’t have to give him a job when he lost his job, he didn't have to buy him presents, he didn't have to make him a celebration for his fortieth birthday (yes, there is a photo from that birthday where they both wear rings and Mary has a jealous face), he didn't have to wear Jim's ring ... He didn't have to do any of that. But he did. How Jim would be force Freddie to do all that what did for him? Threatened him to publish something in newspapers? What could Jim have published at that time more than Paul Prenter published earlier? No, Freddie did it because he wanted it, it was his choice and those facts speaks for themselves. Jim was his choice. Freddie loved Jim, needed him and trusted him. I don't know why some people find it hard to understand.
It's quite logical for me, and if it isn't for someone it's ok, I don't mind.

Invisible Woman, I agree Jim must have been a pretty good man or Freddie would’ve put him out. He had enough money to get around the clock care. I’m so glad he had good boyfriend PA at that time Joe F. Even though he was getting kinda sick. Mary too I guess when she came over. I’m also glad he had a nurse friend to help him with simple things like enimas yes I said enimas constipation is terrible.I get that often it will send you to the hospital. I believe people are put in your path for reasons. Cameras camped outside his house it made it nice for him to have all these options your average people don’t have he was blessed.

Invisible woman wrote:
“I think when a person have bad period in life, for example an illness, that person doesn't want to be in the same house with someone whom doesn't like and with someone who are violent. “

Let’s not forget that Hutton was alone with Freddie when he broke his bones and that he lied about how it happened. Freddie had a string of abusive relationships and STAYING with them. Jim was just the latest one.

Invisible woman wrote:
“Especially persons who have own place to live. Freddie certainly didn’t have to be in a relationship with Jim, didn’t have to live with him,”

Freddie needed house servants, bodyguards, drivers etc... because of who he was. They didn’t have much of a relationship past 86-87. Freddie said he had stopped having any sex altogether.

Freddie kept Hutton on because he felt guilt and obligation for exposing him to HIV and because that was a pattern of Freddie’s. He felt guilt for turning boyfriends lives upside down by being with a rock star, and he would then offer them homes and other consolation prizes.

Invisible woman wrote:
“he didn’t have to take Jim with him to various events, on vacation to Japan, to Spain and Switzerland, “

Freddie often brought his servants along with him. That is not indicative of anything other than Freddie needed help wherever he went.

Invisible woman wrote:
“Freddie didn’t have to help him build a house in Ireland”

Freddie gave 10 of his friends houses in the last year or 2 before he died. Estate lawyers advise, if you know you’re likely dying to spend, spend, spend so that the “death taxes” due on your estate is greatly reduced.

Invisible woman wrote:
“he didn’t have to give him a job when he lost his job”

Well,he wasn’t gonna let him live under his roof for free! LOL

Invisible woman wrote:
“he didn't have to buy him presents”.

Freddie bought presents for people all the time just because he liked to. And what you don’t realize, when Freddie bought Jim gifts, he often bought Joe and Phoebe those same gifts. For ex. Hutton talks about how Freddie bought HIM a suit as if it was something special Turns out, when you read Pheobe’s book, he had bought Joe and Phoebe suits too. He treated them as a trio. Doesn’t indicate anything romantic.

Invisible woman wrote:
“he didn't have to make him a celebration for his fortieth birthday (yes, there is a photo from that birthday where they both wear rings and Mary has a jealous face), “

First of all , that ring Jim is wearing is a ring he bought for himself with birthday money because Freddie even though Hutton had bought Freddie a ring, Freddie had no intention of returning the favor. (However , Freddie DID buy Winnie a £20,000 ring and gave it to him on the night of his Black and White party in Munich, Sept 1985. Freddie had asked Winnie to move in with him to Garden Lodge, but Winnie said he had to stay back to help his father run the “Sebastian Stub’n”

Freddie often had birthday parties for friends. Doesn’t indicate anything romantic

Invisible woman wrote:
“he didn't have to wear Jim's ring ... “

He tried not to for two years.

For two years, Freddie kept taking the ring off, because as Jim himself said, he seemed two embarrassed to wear it. “‘Every time you go out of the house you take the bloody thing off”, Jim said. Keep in mind that Freddie had no problem wearing WINNIE’s ring. Even wore it while on stage in Live Aid and it wasn’t until June 1986 that Freddie took off Winnie’s ring for good.

You know what Hutton says DIRECTLY before he tells the tale of how he had to guilt Freddie into wearing his ring was? Because the timing SPEAKS VOLUMES:

Invisible woman wrote:
“His illness was taking the drive out of him, out of being in control of those around him. Now he really needed us, he was less demanding.”

THAT is the time, after TWO years of Freddie taking off the ring, Hutton decided to cajole Freddie into wearing it. How malignantly manipulative. But that is in keeping with an abuser’s M.O.

Invisible woman wrote:
”He didn't have to do any of that. But he did.’

Yes and none of it indicates Jim being anything special to Freddie. Freddie did all those things for friends and EX-lovers, without any romance involved.

So MUCH so that neither Joe nor Pheobe, having lived intimately with Freddie and Jim for over half a decade, never saw Jim as anything special to Freddie.
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From Mercury and Me':
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"All the time Freddie and I had our loving friendship I lived with certain people [plural, Joe and Phoebe] dismissed me as 'JUST THE GARDENER..
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[We] always looked on you as 'just the gardener'...WE NEVER THOUGHT OF YOU AS FREDDIE'S BOYFRIEND.”

How Jim would be force Freddie to do all that what did for him? Threatened him to publish something in newspapers? What could Jim have published at that time more than Paul Prenter published earlier? No, Freddie did it

Yes Freddie did that for Jim... and all his other workers.

Invisible woman wrote:
”because he wanted it, it was his choice and those facts speaks for themselves.

No, because he needed in-house workers and was an inherently generous man in general. What the facts say is that Freddie didn’t treat Hutton any differently than his two other house servants.

Invisible woman wrote:
”Jim was his choice. Freddie loved Jim, needed him and trusted him. I don't know why some people find it hard to understand.

Jim was his choice to make Winnie jealous. Freddie didn’t trust Jim with anything important to him. Hutton, to find out what Freddie was up to, would have to go ask Joe and Phoebe what was going on because Freddie didn't confide much in Hutton.

Freddie didn't even trust Jim enough to tell he was about to release to the world (and Jim’s family) that his lover had AIDS.

Freddie didn't even trust Jim enough to tell him where he wanted his ashes laid. Freddie was afraid of his grave being be spoiled by crazy fans. He didn't trust Hutton enough to put him in charge or possession of his ashes. Hell, he didn't trust him enough to TELL him where he wanted his cremains to go.

And Freddie’s distrust was on point, because I and behold, didn't Hutton publish in his book where he THOUGHT Freddie may be buried. What a shitbag for doing that.

Invisible woman wrote:
”It's quite logical for me, and if it isn't for someone it's ok, I don't mind.”

When logic is based on false or cherry-picked info, that logic is seriously flawed.

I would hope you would mind being misinformed and then spreading false information as a result.

Chevyman wrote:
“Invisible Woman, I agree Jim must have been a pretty good man or Freddie would’ve put him out. “

Why? Freddie’s pattern was to have abusive boyfriends and not ”put them out” for a long time.

And you are presuming Hutton and Freddie were still a couple after 86/87.

He was kept on as a house worker. Freddie tried to do the same with Minns. Keep him on as an employee, buy him a flat etc...

Chevyman wrote:
“He had enough money to get around the clock care. I’m so glad he had good boyfriend PA at that time Joe F. Even though he was getting kinda sick.”

He paid Joe and Phoebe for the around the clock care. They were PAID.
Freddie feared word getting out about his AIDS status so he couldn’t really have professional live-in nurses.

Yes, Freddie is lucky Phoebe and Joe would do that. But let’s not pretend it was all altruistic. It put them in the position of getting £500,000 and a house as compensation. Hutton did not nurse Freddie. But Freddie was a generous man. We all know this. He paid his house servants and assistants well.

Chevyman wrote:
“Mary too I guess when she came over. “

Mary was with Freddie six hours a day, and she ran his businesses, his finances for him, as well as managed and paid the employees. That Freddie could trust Mary, his “Ol’ Faithful” to take all that worry away from him is the most significant thing that was done for Freddie. Freddie couldn’t even trust Hutton with the mere KNOWLEDGE of where he wanted his cremains placed, much less take possession of them.

@FreddieDearie
As I have said now and before in other topics, I really have nothing against a different opinion.
But I notice that almost everything you write here against Jim you write based on his book but you interpret all it in your own way. Also, you don’t answer my questions, you just spin the same story all the time and just skip what doesn’t like to you.


It seems that, acording to you, of all the people in the world, only Jim Hutton could work for Freddie Mercury and you claim that he was an alcoholic, an abuser and a bad person. Those qualities are probably the best recommendation for someone to be employed somewhere for years. I guess everyone wants to have such employees living in his house. And not only that. Such employees are perfect for traveling around the world with those they work for, perfect for employers to buy them a car, organize celebrations, going with them on parties and events etc.
And about provoking Winnie's jealousy the best thing Freddie could do was to be with Jim in London while Winnie was in Germany. The perfect plan and perfect timing. Just seven years.


No, I don't spreading any information, I just conclude and have my own opinion.
And one more thing, this is certainly not from my previous post : Invisible woman wrote:
“His illness was taking the drive out of him, out of being in control of those around him. Now he really needed us, he was less demanding.”
Be more careful the next time when you copy something.


I will certainly not change my opinion because of your interpretation of Jim's book and other things.

Invisible woman wrote:
”As I have said now and before in other topics, I really have nothing against a different opinion.”

Oh, well, if you SAY you have nothing against a different opinion, I’ll have to ignore what yourmactual posts seem to indicate.

Invisible woman wrote:
”Also, you don’t answer my questions, you just spin the same story all the time and just skip what doesn’t like to you. ”

No, I answer questions. I've just noticed you like to think of it as spin because certain facts don't match up with your preconceived notions. Much of what I say is above and beyond ”interpretation”.

Invisible woman wrote:

”I guess everyone wants to have such employees living in his house. And not only that. Such employees are perfect for traveling around the world with those they work for, perfect for employers organize celebrations, going with them on parties and events etc. ”

I don't know if everyone does that, but Freddie did.. The reality is that Freddie did all those things with other abusive lovers as well. It's a pattern. He employed them, traveled with them, organized celebrations, went with them to parties...and he was abused by them. So why you would spin that Jim was any different is illogical.

Invisible woman wrote:
”It seems that, acording to you, of all the people in the world, only Jim Hutton could work for Freddie Mercury and you claim that he was an alcoholic, an abuser and a bad person. ”

It's not just according to me, it's according to Jim’s book as half of it is him describing him being in a drunken super.

It's also people like Mike Moran, Thor Arnold, Jacky Gunn, Jim Jenkins and others.

Invisible woman wrote:
”to buy them a car”

This is a perfect example of you spreading disinformation.

Freddie never bought Hutton a car for his birthday. That was another lie.
Freddie bought a company car for his gardener to use. It belonged to ”Goose Productions” even until the day Freddie died and ownership transferred over to Mary.

As part of a severence package, Hutton finally got the Volvo by his employer. Ownership, was transferred to Jim on May 13, 1992.

But Hutton did buy one of his other abusers, Winnie Kirschberger a Mercedes. In one of their fights, Winnie sold the car for cash.

Invisible woman wrote:
”And about provoking Winnie's jealousy the best thing Freddie could do was to be with Jim in London while Winnie was in Germany.”

But Freddie didn't stay with Hutton in London, he was still visiting Munich in 1986 and remained married to Winnie until June.

And no, trading one abuser for another is not the ”best thing Freddie could do”. But admitted THAT is just my opinion.

Invisible woman wrote:
”No, I don't spreading any information, I just conclude and have my own opinion.”

Opinions are either based in fact or false/incomplete information. You seem to Cherrypick information that supports your desire form a Jimercury fantasy and ignore the rest. We’re all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts.

That results in spreading disinformation.

Invisible woman wrote:
”And one more thing, this is certainly not from my previous post.”

“His illness was taking the drive out of him, out of being in control of those around him. Now he really needed us, he was less demanding.”

Sorry, true. You didn't say that—HUTTON DID. That’s what he said right before he described wheedling Freddie into wearing the ring he resisted wearing for two years.

Invisible woman wrote:
”Be more careful the next time when you copy something.”

Please be more careful spreading disinformation

”I will certainly not change my opinion because of your interpretation of Jim's book and other things.”

It seems you certainly won't change your opinion based on facts and logic either.

^ Obviously, you are not interested in Queen, Freddie and their music. It's just important to you to hate Jim Hutton and that's why you usually come to this forum sometimes.
And if someone fantasizes about something, it's actually you when you say : "Freddie and Winnie were married". That's your 'facts" and your "real informations"

Invisible Woman, it’s better just to ignore talk to others it works.