Did Freddie wear ring(s) for performances and photos?

Invisible Woman said:
And if someone fantasizes about something, it's actually you when you say : "Freddie and Winnie were married". That's your 'facts" and your "real informations"

I see you’re avoiding the topic and resorting to ad hominem with not facts to offer.

Anyway, I will remain factual.

1) Phoebe said Freddie would call Winnie ”Husband”

2) Freddie wore Winnies wedding band for years.

3) Freddie bought Winnie a 20,000 ring and had asked him to move into Garden Lodge, but Winnie said he couldn't because he had to stay and help his father run the ”Sebastian Stib’n”.

Those are facts.

Invisible Woman,


"As I have said now and before in other topics, I really have nothing against a different opinion.
But I notice that almost everything you write here against Jim you write based on his book but you interpret all it in your own way. "

---If you really tolerated different opinions ( that unlike your own refer to sources and not personal or idealized beliefs)
why then can't you let go ?
Some of your " beliefs" were corrected early on in one of the first Thor threads, and here you start again ????

thundergod Posted: 11 Jul 17
Invisible Woman,
Freddie loved Mary above anyone else, man or woman. It was obvious every time I saw them
together. Even if Freddie was upset about something and might vent about it among his male
friends, when Mary was suddenly present, his whole demeanor would change. I think she represented the
calm in every storm of his life and he cherished her for that. I know he always thought that she sacrificed
her own happiness for his. ....

Invisible woman :
Thor,
But that about Mary was before Freddie met Jim?
Perhaps I am wrong, but I have the impression that she was obsessed with Freddie .......


http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1480243/clarification-of-thor-arnolds-role-in-freddies-life.aspx?page=5

hm... maybe someone is quite obsessed with having her fantasy confirmed ?

^ This should be proof that I don't respect other people's opinions? Or to insult me? Whatever the point was I'm not offended.
I just asked questions like everyone who wanted to participate in the topic. This was 3 years ago, thread just started. Later, the answers to similar questions were different. Everyone judge for themselves which answers are more true.

Neither, nor. Just an observation.
Yes, three years ago...later on answers changed as the weirdos who needed their hopes/ beliefs confirmed took over.

Possibly you'll like this ? : https://terezavin.blogspot.com/2018/09/meeting-jim-hutton-in-2001.html
"He sat him on his knees and imitated sexual intercourse. It would seem offensive and utterly crazy to someone who didn´t know him. But we all did. Jim was laughing like crazy..."
"Jim then went to the toilets for a while, and I, like a stray sheep, followed him through crowds of oblivious dancers. He was somewhat drunk at that time and barely retained a balance. He staggered a little like a broken tree. No surprise after god knows how many Red bulls and vodkas! "

^ This has nothing to do with Thor's topic and his answers. But when you mention hopes and beliefs, maybe his first answers were to please you and those who have opinions like yours? Everything is possible.
It is clear that you are provoking from all the profiles you use here. From now on, disscusing with yourself.

I read that blog, 'terezavin' some time ago and it was clear to me that her recounting was, if not fabricated, oddly written and slanted.

I also recall that later in his participation on QZ Thor mentioned that he was circumspect in his early 'Mary' comments as he was unsure how most fans viewed Freddie's personal relationships, so he opted for discretion as the better part of valor as not to offend. As most open-minded Queen fans accept, there has been a decades-long corporate Queen line about Freddie's "bisexuality" and the role that Mary played in that public relations ruse. I seem to recall that Thor was coming into QZ somewhat as a social media neophyte and he chose his words carefully, which was wise.

Thereuhaveit
this could be or could not be, but then you also can add 1 and 1 together and wonder perhaps how many insights Thor had from his NY base after FM left.
FM had friends who have never entered social media platforms up to this day, but who rather respect privacy . There's friends too who talk , but who clearly respect privacy .

" As most open-minded Queen fans" .... not sure what you mean. ... There's millions of Queen fans around the world. I grew up with Queen, the concerts & the music since 1979... It seems to me nowadays , the private life of FM has morphed into Queen legacy as far as younger fans are concerned. ----Fast forward, would Fadi Fawaz
be part of George Michael's legacy ? If not, why then would FM's self promoting " inner circle " be part of Queen's legacy ?
Or : would Rolling Stones or David Bowie fans have to be familiar with all gossip tales to be " real open minded fans ? I highly doubt. It's stuff for reality TV and Daily Mail gossip.



Invisible woman.
my quotation was meant as a reminder that you appear to bring up old stuff again and again and again.
"his first answers were to please you and those who have opinions like yours?" Unsure what you mean by " opinions like yours"???
The beginning was the time when plenty of people asked plenty of different questions also about context and life in general.
All my profiles : ONE SINGLE profile !!! 99 percent silent reader.

Good point TUHI I think Thor chose his words wisely too! He is a strong minded person and so am I but that’s okay. It has nothing to do with the thread . I think he was being honest. He believed by admitting he had spent all of his young life around Gays and observed their behaviors. When he and Freddie and company went out he never looked at women. He made it clear no women for me . Which means to me he has no problem with ladies he just had no desire to sleep with any.Freddie wasn’t bisexual I know this because I am bisexual and he was just into men 100 percent.So were the guys he ran with including a Thor that tells me even more he was Gay. He wanted to be around all Gay men.

As far as Mary that subject it really has helped keep that bisexual image of a man. Freddie began his relationships with a girl in school then mary then strictly men it seemed after the 80s. I think it’s wise to assume he slept around so if he where bisexual where are all these women and what about possible children ?????He died with AIDS so he used unprotected sex wouldn’t there be women like crazy back then to bitch about him possibly infecting them. There were stories and proof of men one being his partner Jim.Well There are no Women because he wasn’t bisexual .A lot of Gay men dated women in their youths high school possibly college. Then once they come out of their shell no more girls or women that’s what I’ve noticed.After their split Mary was his dearest friend I think nothing more.She worked for him and he promised to take care of her and he did.Thats it.He lost no sleep worrying about her sex life he was too worried about his.

I believe Thor and company have kept Freddie’s privacy there have been no over the top sex stories been told. They have never revealed the color or size of his underwear. I think Freddie was private to a point. He was a wild man he made it known to the public it’s been public knowledge for years before his death.He had a wild party with naked women smoking cigarettes from their vaginas. A fish tank with naked people, strippers, I think it’s fair to say at times when it was time to party he wasn’t all that private. Thor or Lee either one has not revealed anything disgusting or tasteless in their threads. I’m sure in the clubs their was a lot to be seen and they respected Freddie’s fans and told or shared nothing but fond kind memories.Im gonna throw this out there God please don’t strike me down I wish they would’ve shared some of the sights they seen as young men in the clubs I’m a curious individual and it intrigues me lol!!!!

I admit I would’ve liked to be a fly on the wall and go to the dirty part of the men’s clubs in the 80s. There it is I said it. I’m just curious as to what went on how and well you know what I mean. No I’m not a man either just a extremly curious female.its to bad no one took any pics of those areas back then what a delight lol!!!!!!

Oh before we want to talk about privacy Leslie Ann and her Lying Eyes.She started the Barbara Valentin saga.So we have no angels here. Barbara was a good drinking buddie she loved the company of Gay men in the 80s. I get that they are nice to look at plus someone to drink with go home with and no strings attached. But that’s all she was she was well known and liked in Germany by Gay men and our boy Freddie liked Gay men. So yes I guess he kinda used her for that. She started telling lies the one thing you don’t do is fall in love with a Gay man and I guess she did and told terrible lies. Well he got done with her. By the way he was dating her friend Winnie while in Germany.Leslie Ann added her little bits and made a chapter in her book about it which were all lies Barbara was his decoy and introduced him into the Gay community in Germany big mistake I think.

@LilMal
Just so you know, this topic and "old stuff again and again" are not restarted by me, but by another member who comes here just to write the same malicious things about Jim Hutton. If you are a really quiet reader you should know that. But that remains unnoticed on your part, it is important that you remind of my posts from 3 years ago from other thread. That is quite unfair on your part. But, I think that everyone has the right to participate in any topic they want, no matters who started or restarted topics. I am always for a discussion, but not for the kind you started with me, on the edge of insult, so I think it is best to end this. It definitely ends on my part.

Invisible Woman,I get your point I really do but in my opinion Queen corporate has pushed Mary bisexual point so much I do think it was smart of Thor to point out their time with them led to no wham bam thank you man with the ladies or where I come from if the trailers rock”n don’t come Knock”n saying it means he is getting
It on with a lady which I guess he wasn’t friends proved that. We have at least prove now . We are fans they were his friends they had the same interests as him and that’s men. Which I think is no big deal but I guess it was then and to corporate maybe it is now.The music he made was his talent that was their job they should’ve stayed out of his buisness. I think to some degree he already knew being Gay would effect his career and they didn’t make it any easier. They say here you need to appear with a woman fine okay maybe Freddie himself gave this thought and said this is best. Could it have not been someone other than Mary why keep that story line going I don’t think that helped things at all. Bisexual my ass.I just don’t think he was at all.m

By the way nothing wrong with being bisexual I am and let me tell you it’s not a easy life. I would have rather been straight or Gay anyday.You are so judged as a bisexual man and woman. It’s terrible you learn to say fuck everybody your not putting me in any box of labels and you rum like hell.Im glad Freddie knew he was Gay and anyone else that knows they are. It tickled my heart the first time I was on QZ I had seen Thor’s post and he had introduced himself and I thought what a unusual but cool name but what caught my attention was the fact he said I’m a Gay man from Newyork that warmed my heart. How glorious that is to be able to not care what people think of you and be sure of yourself.