A complete BBC-box or a good compilation-DVD like the Led Zeppelin one would be amazing Greg !
I hope these things will come out soon ;)
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Martin (Scully)...
You make a fair point - that fans who come up with stuff that Queen uses, do not get paid - and don't get any rare recordings either. It is a fair point, but it is totally wrong.
Remember the Magic rehaersal footage on the Wembley DVD? We paid a fan for that.
The Ibex recording on the FM box. We paid a 'fan' for that.
A very nice live recording of Queen, from early 1970s, reel-to-reel. we've just paid a fan for that. It's on my proposal for a Best Of Queen Live DVD (properly done... NOT like Rare Live)
A Queen BBC session, containing a mega rare item no-one knows exists.. including us until 2 years ago. We just paid a fan for that.
The fan who provided the bootlegs for QOL. He was paid.
Footage of Queen live in the 80s, on 8mm film. We paid a U.S. fan for that.
Martin... we DO pay people, but we don't shout from the rooftops about it. Why should we?
I spend my time, with Justin and Kris, etc, gathering material for future product. Some of it might never materialise, who knows? But if it does - like a proper FULL Queen's BBC sessions box for example, which we'd love to do - then such a thing might include some fantastic elements that YOU guys do not even know exist. We spend time finding things, paying for them... just like the Magic rehearsal footage. Fans do get paid.
You would be startled, seriously, to find out what things have come to light in recent years, that QPL has paid fans for, and non-fans (general collectors), for certain audio or footage.
We recently purchased a great interview with Freddie (transcript of which appears in the new book). That came from a Jo-public punter, who was paid.
AND WE CREDIT THESE PEOPLE TOO, MARTIN. CHECK THE SLEEVE NOTES TO WEMBLEY DVD, MK DVD.
You see, you say these things, make these blanket statements, but actually you are wrong. Just because things are not made public, doesn't mean that financial deals don't go on privately - no more than if you do a private deal yourself. What business is a Martin Scully private transaction, of Greg Brooks or anyone else on QZ??? NONE, it would be your business only.
Fair enough you should be "very brave" (as some QZ curiously stated) and make the point, but maybe you might collect some detailed facts before you open yourself to this kind of obvious retort.
I'm not being smart-arse. I simply mean that if you want to go for the preverbial Queen jugular, then be sure of your facts first. That's fair, right?
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Very interesting post Greg, thanks for that! :-)
You make a fair point - that fans who come up with stuff that Queen uses, do not get paid - and don't get any rare recordings either. It is a fair point, but it is totally wrong.
Remember the Magic rehaersal footage on the Wembley DVD? We paid a fan for that.
The Ibex recording on the FM box. We paid a 'fan' for that.
A very nice live recording of Queen, from early 1970s, reel-to-reel. we've just paid a fan for that. It's on my proposal for a Best Of Queen Live DVD (properly done... NOT like Rare Live)
A Queen BBC session, containing a mega rare item no-one knows exists.. including us until 2 years ago. We just paid a fan for that.
The fan who provided the bootlegs for QOL. He was paid.
Footage of Queen live in the 80s, on 8mm film. We paid a U.S. fan for that.
Martin... we DO pay people, but we don't shout from the rooftops about it. Why should we?
I spend my time, with Justin and Kris, etc, gathering material for future product. Some of it might never materialise, who knows? But if it does - like a proper FULL Queen's BBC sessions box for example, which we'd love to do - then such a thing might include some fantastic elements that YOU guys do not even know exist. We spend time finding things, paying for them... just like the Magic rehearsal footage. Fans do get paid.
You would be startled, seriously, to find out what things have come to light in recent years, that QPL has paid fans for, and non-fans (general collectors), for certain audio or footage.
We recently purchased a great interview with Freddie (transcript of which appears in the new book). That came from a Jo-public punter, who was paid.
AND WE CREDIT THESE PEOPLE TOO, MARTIN. CHECK THE SLEEVE NOTES TO WEMBLEY DVD, MK DVD.
You see, you say these things, make these blanket statements, but actually you are wrong. Just because things are not made public, doesn't mean that financial deals don't go on privately - no more than if you do a private deal yourself. What business is a Martin Scully private transaction, of Greg Brooks or anyone else on QZ??? NONE, it would be your business only.
Fair enough you should be "very brave" (as some QZ curiously stated) and make the point, but maybe you might collect some detailed facts before you open yourself to this kind of obvious retort.
I'm not being smart-arse. I simply mean that if you want to go for the preverbial Queen jugular, then be sure of your facts first. That's fair, right?
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Very interesting post Greg, thanks for that! :-)
Thanks for the honest reply, Greg.
It's just that I know I will ask for *something* (money / pass) next time before I do anything as my time is too expensive. Remember how you asked me to scan all my ticket stubs because you would love to use them in the "I Want It All" book? Well you never got in touch again since then...
It's just that I know I will ask for *something* (money / pass) next time before I do anything as my time is too expensive. Remember how you asked me to scan all my ticket stubs because you would love to use them in the "I Want It All" book? Well you never got in touch again since then...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Scully,
I forgot something. You also say, sarcastically, no one ever got a backstage pass. You are wrong on this as well.
An Australian fan who helped us, called Luke, who some of you know, got a backstage pass to the WWRY Musical Premiere in that country. Great seats, for him and a guest, plus BS passes too.
The same thing happened to UK fans at the London launch.
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Indeed that is true, after-show tickets for Melbourne and Sydney.
(a forever grateful) Luke
I forgot something. You also say, sarcastically, no one ever got a backstage pass. You are wrong on this as well.
An Australian fan who helped us, called Luke, who some of you know, got a backstage pass to the WWRY Musical Premiere in that country. Great seats, for him and a guest, plus BS passes too.
The same thing happened to UK fans at the London launch.
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Indeed that is true, after-show tickets for Melbourne and Sydney.
(a forever grateful) Luke
Greg: Thanks for the personalised reply, it was certainly far more than I deserved.
Mistakenly, I believed I actually contributed very positively to this thread. "Good to see you have a 'nice' side Greg. I am sure your comments will be greeted with positivity."
Furthermore, in reply to Martin’s very legitimate question; "Queen (Productions) always ask, always get but never give…. So what can you offer in exchange for such rare recordings?", I thought I offered a very frank and personalised answer -
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote:[/QUOTENAME]To be fair Martin...[/QUOTE]
However, I did not expect this very pointed and individualised answer to be interpreted as " …hijacking (and) ...shocked to hear… Life on QZ does NOT revolve around (me)".
I also did not expect for you to sum me up so accurately
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote:[/QUOTENAME] …continual moaning… a moaning old woman…VERY TEDIOUS AND REPETITIVE AND STILL BITTER… SAD BITTER LITTLE INDIVIDUAL.[/QUOTE]
but there you have it – you seem to know me, better than I know myself.
If you may allow me a little leeway, perhaps I could make a very solid contribution to this thread.
As you already know, apart from me, there are a few ‘elite’ collectors who do indeed own oodles of rare audio and visual material. One collector whom we both know, privately owns film stock of an alternative Seven Seas Of Rhye promotional film – which has never been seen by the public – nor has his Bohemian Rhapsody video out-takes. I know these exist – (as well as many other alternative films and takes) as I have been privilege to a private screening. We both know these exist, and we both know that ‘Hell would freeze over’ before Queen Productions were ever able to obtain such rarities, and before you criticise me on this point, they do not belong to me, nor do I have any influence over how they should be ‘handled’, but I digress.
My main point is regardless of the passage of time (you may well remember in 2005 John Humble – The Yorkshire Ripper Hoaxer – was sentenced to 8 years imprisonment for a tape he recorded in 1978) – I find that I do indeed still take the theft of ‘my’ tape from a very secure Queen Productions very ‘personally’ indeed. If that makes me bitter, then I hold my hands-up, but forgive me if this dents my faith in a billion pound organisation.
What I am trying to say is that I do not know of any ‘serious’ collector who would pass ‘serious’ material to such projects, because in essence – no ‘serious’ collector would ever trust QPL – harsh I know, but I am only reflecting the thoughts (of a few) of the main dealers and players.
Personally, I find this both a sad and sorry affair, because as a “fan”, I too would like to own some of these ultra-rare gems, but it also leaves me with some very difficult questions…
If (I speak the truth) how was this climate created in the first place? Why are some collectors so reluctant to be involved? Why does this huge mistrust exist?
Of course, I may be wrong (and God knows – I often am), but I have a sneaking suspicion only QPL have themselves to blame.
Mistakenly, I believed I actually contributed very positively to this thread. "Good to see you have a 'nice' side Greg. I am sure your comments will be greeted with positivity."
Furthermore, in reply to Martin’s very legitimate question; "Queen (Productions) always ask, always get but never give…. So what can you offer in exchange for such rare recordings?", I thought I offered a very frank and personalised answer -
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote:[/QUOTENAME]To be fair Martin...[/QUOTE]
However, I did not expect this very pointed and individualised answer to be interpreted as " …hijacking (and) ...shocked to hear… Life on QZ does NOT revolve around (me)".
I also did not expect for you to sum me up so accurately
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote:[/QUOTENAME] …continual moaning… a moaning old woman…VERY TEDIOUS AND REPETITIVE AND STILL BITTER… SAD BITTER LITTLE INDIVIDUAL.[/QUOTE]
but there you have it – you seem to know me, better than I know myself.
If you may allow me a little leeway, perhaps I could make a very solid contribution to this thread.
As you already know, apart from me, there are a few ‘elite’ collectors who do indeed own oodles of rare audio and visual material. One collector whom we both know, privately owns film stock of an alternative Seven Seas Of Rhye promotional film – which has never been seen by the public – nor has his Bohemian Rhapsody video out-takes. I know these exist – (as well as many other alternative films and takes) as I have been privilege to a private screening. We both know these exist, and we both know that ‘Hell would freeze over’ before Queen Productions were ever able to obtain such rarities, and before you criticise me on this point, they do not belong to me, nor do I have any influence over how they should be ‘handled’, but I digress.
My main point is regardless of the passage of time (you may well remember in 2005 John Humble – The Yorkshire Ripper Hoaxer – was sentenced to 8 years imprisonment for a tape he recorded in 1978) – I find that I do indeed still take the theft of ‘my’ tape from a very secure Queen Productions very ‘personally’ indeed. If that makes me bitter, then I hold my hands-up, but forgive me if this dents my faith in a billion pound organisation.
What I am trying to say is that I do not know of any ‘serious’ collector who would pass ‘serious’ material to such projects, because in essence – no ‘serious’ collector would ever trust QPL – harsh I know, but I am only reflecting the thoughts (of a few) of the main dealers and players.
Personally, I find this both a sad and sorry affair, because as a “fan”, I too would like to own some of these ultra-rare gems, but it also leaves me with some very difficult questions…
If (I speak the truth) how was this climate created in the first place? Why are some collectors so reluctant to be involved? Why does this huge mistrust exist?
Of course, I may be wrong (and God knows – I often am), but I have a sneaking suspicion only QPL have themselves to blame.
I have a BBC Transcription Disc of Queens Golden Green Hippodrome gig on the 13th September 1973.
You've no doubt already got it Greg but i thought i'd get this thread 'constructive' and throw it into the ring.
You've no doubt already got it Greg but i thought i'd get this thread 'constructive' and throw it into the ring.
John, I think we all realise you're not hijacking the thread, we all realise your intentions are good and your messages (in this and other discussions) are sincere and valuable. Then why worrying about one bloke who can't understand that?
As you cleverly say "life's too short", then don't waste it replying Greg's senseless insults. That time could be put in better use, like writing a book ;), or whatever you want.
As you cleverly say "life's too short", then don't waste it replying Greg's senseless insults. That time could be put in better use, like writing a book ;), or whatever you want.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]John, I think we all realise you're not hijacking the thread, we all realise your intentions are good and your messages (in this and other discussions) are sincere and valuable. Then why worrying about one bloke who can't understand that?[/QUOTE]
Good points Seb, but what I have personally learned from this thread is that Martin has scanned many tickets for no reward;
"Remember how you asked me to scan all my ticket stubs because you would love to use them in the "I Want It All" book? Well you never got in touch again since then...".
A fan was PAID for sharing bootlegs (whom I presume did not own the master tapes - or even record the gigs for that matter). "The fan who PROVIDED the bootlegs for QOL. He was paid."
(Which kind of answers violonbleu's earlier question:http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=867557 "When a fan records a concert... is it his right to share it... or does he have to ask... Queen Production(s)? Are the playing artists the owners of their music...").
And finally, "You say that no one at Queen, other than me, ever contacted YOU. Correct. TAKE THE HINT."
Therefore, I fail to see how QPL could possibly believe that any half decent fan would offer them anything, when in fact, the reality is, there is indeed "Something... rotten in the state of Denmark".
Here I am standing like 'Gladys Knight & The Pips' shouting 'Here I am, take me in your arms and love me', only to be told I am a " moaning... SAD BITTER LITTLE INDIVIDUAL".
I know I should not highlight such negativities, but I feel it is about time that QPL took stock of what is happening INSIDE, and face the fact that many rare and hidden gems will NEVER see the light of day - not because of unwilling, selfish or even greedy fans - but because as a faceless entity, QPL are the ones who treat that very same fan base no better than sh*t - and unless that bridge is spanned by something a bit more concrete, far more rarities will be driven underground than ever possibly imagined.
Good points Seb, but what I have personally learned from this thread is that Martin has scanned many tickets for no reward;
"Remember how you asked me to scan all my ticket stubs because you would love to use them in the "I Want It All" book? Well you never got in touch again since then...".
A fan was PAID for sharing bootlegs (whom I presume did not own the master tapes - or even record the gigs for that matter). "The fan who PROVIDED the bootlegs for QOL. He was paid."
(Which kind of answers violonbleu's earlier question:http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=867557 "When a fan records a concert... is it his right to share it... or does he have to ask... Queen Production(s)? Are the playing artists the owners of their music...").
And finally, "You say that no one at Queen, other than me, ever contacted YOU. Correct. TAKE THE HINT."
Therefore, I fail to see how QPL could possibly believe that any half decent fan would offer them anything, when in fact, the reality is, there is indeed "Something... rotten in the state of Denmark".
Here I am standing like 'Gladys Knight & The Pips' shouting 'Here I am, take me in your arms and love me', only to be told I am a " moaning... SAD BITTER LITTLE INDIVIDUAL".
I know I should not highlight such negativities, but I feel it is about time that QPL took stock of what is happening INSIDE, and face the fact that many rare and hidden gems will NEVER see the light of day - not because of unwilling, selfish or even greedy fans - but because as a faceless entity, QPL are the ones who treat that very same fan base no better than sh*t - and unless that bridge is spanned by something a bit more concrete, far more rarities will be driven underground than ever possibly imagined.
Excuse my interuption but I have a question that I'm still very much looking forward to have answered.
Greg,
On Martin's website it states that Queen Productions owns a recording of the Marquee '72 show on the 20th of December in London. http://www.queenconcerts.com/detail/live/37/20.12.1972+-+Concert:+Queen+in+The+Marquee+Club,+London,+UK/
Now I trust that this information on QueenConcerts.com is accurate (it always has been so far) but is it possbile for you to confirm this?
and if so... (here it comes :P)
Could you give us any details about it?
Greg,
On Martin's website it states that Queen Productions owns a recording of the Marquee '72 show on the 20th of December in London. http://www.queenconcerts.com/detail/live/37/20.12.1972+-+Concert:+Queen+in+The+Marquee+Club,+London,+UK/
Now I trust that this information on QueenConcerts.com is accurate (it always has been so far) but is it possbile for you to confirm this?
and if so... (here it comes :P)
Could you give us any details about it?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]« Jay » wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
...On Martin's website it states that Queen Productions owns a recording of the Marquee '72 show on the 20th of December in London... Could you give us any details about it?[/QUOTE]
Queen: Unreleased, Live, Marquee, London, 20 December 1972
Great King Rat, Son & Daughter, Jesus, Doing Alright, Ogre Battle, Keep Yourself Alive, Liar, Jailhouse Rock, Bama Lama Lama Loo
Jay: The Marquee 1972 is the earliest known Queen live recording – but it is dreadful quality - and could never be released. (Imagine your worst bootleg - then some!).
Original owner Richard Thomson (1984/Ibex): recorded mono reel-to-reel.
SOLD: Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996.
Richard Thomson: Lot 154 sold £2,800
Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996.
Set similar to 10th March 1992, except, Night Comes Down, See What A Fool I’ve Been, Stone Cold Crazy, and Hangman dropped from the set. New material includes Doing Alright, and Ogre Battle.
...On Martin's website it states that Queen Productions owns a recording of the Marquee '72 show on the 20th of December in London... Could you give us any details about it?[/QUOTE]
Queen: Unreleased, Live, Marquee, London, 20 December 1972
Great King Rat, Son & Daughter, Jesus, Doing Alright, Ogre Battle, Keep Yourself Alive, Liar, Jailhouse Rock, Bama Lama Lama Loo
Jay: The Marquee 1972 is the earliest known Queen live recording – but it is dreadful quality - and could never be released. (Imagine your worst bootleg - then some!).
Original owner Richard Thomson (1984/Ibex): recorded mono reel-to-reel.
SOLD: Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996.
Richard Thomson: Lot 154 sold £2,800
Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996.
Set similar to 10th March 1992, except, Night Comes Down, See What A Fool I’ve Been, Stone Cold Crazy, and Hangman dropped from the set. New material includes Doing Alright, and Ogre Battle.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]« Jay » wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Jay: The Marquee 1972 is the earliest known Queen live recording – but it is dreadful quality - and could never be released. (Imagine your worst bootleg - then some!).[/QUOTE]
Ouch! that hurts. :P
There were rumours that it should be in VG- quality...
A pity. Well thanks for answering this John! :-)
Jay: The Marquee 1972 is the earliest known Queen live recording – but it is dreadful quality - and could never be released. (Imagine your worst bootleg - then some!).[/QUOTE]
Ouch! that hurts. :P
There were rumours that it should be in VG- quality...
A pity. Well thanks for answering this John! :-)
Hi Greg,
I'm just a regular Queen fan, and I don't have the time or the money to hunt down rare Queen material. I do own all the Queen DVD's, and really enjoy all the extras on them.
I spend some money on a couple of bootlegs years ago, but was disappointed by the poor sound and video quality. I would love to see a GVH3 one day, with the innuendo material. I'm very curious what unreleased stuff from the Innuendo-sessions is out there. I also would love a "Best of Live" DVD, or a DVD from the 1979 tour, because I really like the "Live Killers" album.
Anyway, good hunting, and please be generous in releasing stuff that is worthwile. I'm looking forward to the next Queen DVD (Christmas, Maybe?). Thanks for your work.
Ivo from The Netherlands
I'm just a regular Queen fan, and I don't have the time or the money to hunt down rare Queen material. I do own all the Queen DVD's, and really enjoy all the extras on them.
I spend some money on a couple of bootlegs years ago, but was disappointed by the poor sound and video quality. I would love to see a GVH3 one day, with the innuendo material. I'm very curious what unreleased stuff from the Innuendo-sessions is out there. I also would love a "Best of Live" DVD, or a DVD from the 1979 tour, because I really like the "Live Killers" album.
Anyway, good hunting, and please be generous in releasing stuff that is worthwile. I'm looking forward to the next Queen DVD (Christmas, Maybe?). Thanks for your work.
Ivo from The Netherlands
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A very nice live recording of Queen, from early 1970s, reel-to-reel. we've just paid a fan for that. It's on my proposal for a Best Of Queen Live DVD (properly done... NOT like Rare Live)
A Queen BBC session, containing a mega rare item no-one knows exists.. including us until 2 years ago. We just paid a fan for that.
Footage of Queen live in the 80s, on 8mm film. We paid a U.S. fan for that.[/QUOTE]
Any chance you could tell us a bit more about this material, Greg? I'm especially interested in knowing about the 70s reel-to-reel.
A Queen BBC session, containing a mega rare item no-one knows exists.. including us until 2 years ago. We just paid a fan for that.
Footage of Queen live in the 80s, on 8mm film. We paid a U.S. fan for that.[/QUOTE]
Any chance you could tell us a bit more about this material, Greg? I'm especially interested in knowing about the 70s reel-to-reel.
To Martin Scully, who wrote...
Thanks for the honest reply, Greg.
It's just that I know I will ask for *something* (money / pass) next time before I do anything as my time is too expensive. Remember how you asked me to scan all my ticket stubs because you would love to use them in the "I Want It All" book? Well you never got in touch again since then...
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Martin, I thanked you very much in an email for your very interesting scans. I further told you in email, which I retain... that nearer the time (of the design of that book) I would get back in touch to discuss the finer details - by which I mean what credit you'd like IF we use any of your stuff - which is very likely. And, contact you nearer the time is precisely what I will do. Probably early months of 2007.
Why do you think it necessary to portray it in a way that will make it seem that I treated you badly? Why would you do that? we had a decent correspondence; friendly and constructive, and I left it in a constructive way too. I will contact you nearer the time. I couldn't have made it any clearer.
Why imply otherwise, Martin? What's your purpose in doing that here on QZ? It is unfair and gives the deliberate misinterpretation that you intended. It is unnecessary.
AND... if you were genuinely bemused that I did not reply to one of your mails, why didn't you just send a polite reminder... "Dear Greg, I sent you the scans but I have not heard back from you. Did you get them OK?" That's the natural and obvious thing to do in that situation.
Would that not have been a bit nicer than what you imply above?
Your comment (reprinted above) tries to make me look unnecessarily rude. There is no need for it.... not from you Martin.
AND, by the way... having complained that no Queen fan ever got paid or got a backstage pass for the help they gave us, which I clearly disproved... because you were totally WRONG, did you have the grace to apologise, or to take it back, or say, "Greg, fair enough, thank you for outlining that, I was in error."
No. You did not.
Martin, be fair and balanced, not biased and misleading. That's my point, and it is reasonable. Usually you are those things with me... why all of a sudden are you painting a different picture?
Don't answer that. Just be fair. And don't imply things you know to be otherwise. It's really not much to ask.
Thanks for the honest reply, Greg.
It's just that I know I will ask for *something* (money / pass) next time before I do anything as my time is too expensive. Remember how you asked me to scan all my ticket stubs because you would love to use them in the "I Want It All" book? Well you never got in touch again since then...
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Martin, I thanked you very much in an email for your very interesting scans. I further told you in email, which I retain... that nearer the time (of the design of that book) I would get back in touch to discuss the finer details - by which I mean what credit you'd like IF we use any of your stuff - which is very likely. And, contact you nearer the time is precisely what I will do. Probably early months of 2007.
Why do you think it necessary to portray it in a way that will make it seem that I treated you badly? Why would you do that? we had a decent correspondence; friendly and constructive, and I left it in a constructive way too. I will contact you nearer the time. I couldn't have made it any clearer.
Why imply otherwise, Martin? What's your purpose in doing that here on QZ? It is unfair and gives the deliberate misinterpretation that you intended. It is unnecessary.
AND... if you were genuinely bemused that I did not reply to one of your mails, why didn't you just send a polite reminder... "Dear Greg, I sent you the scans but I have not heard back from you. Did you get them OK?" That's the natural and obvious thing to do in that situation.
Would that not have been a bit nicer than what you imply above?
Your comment (reprinted above) tries to make me look unnecessarily rude. There is no need for it.... not from you Martin.
AND, by the way... having complained that no Queen fan ever got paid or got a backstage pass for the help they gave us, which I clearly disproved... because you were totally WRONG, did you have the grace to apologise, or to take it back, or say, "Greg, fair enough, thank you for outlining that, I was in error."
No. You did not.
Martin, be fair and balanced, not biased and misleading. That's my point, and it is reasonable. Usually you are those things with me... why all of a sudden are you painting a different picture?
Don't answer that. Just be fair. And don't imply things you know to be otherwise. It's really not much to ask.
A QueenZoner wrote...
...there are a few ‘elite’ collectors who do indeed own oodles of rare audio and visual material. One collector whom we both know, privately owns film stock of an alternative Seven Seas Of Rhye promotional film – which has never been seen by the public – nor has his Bohemian Rhapsody video out-takes. I know these exist – (as well as many other alternative films and takes) as I have been privilege to a private screening.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS. I HAVE EXTREMELY GOOD REASONS FOR NOT BELIEVING THIS. THIS IS BULLSHIT INVENTED TO MAKE A POINT WHICH IS ALSO INVALID AND NOT WORTHY OF YOU.
We both know these exist,
NO WE DO NOT 'BOTH' KNOW ANY SUCH THING. YOU MAY THINK THEY EXIST, I DO NOT. THAT IS NOT BOTH OF US AT ALL. IT'S JUST YOU, AND YOU TRYING TO ATTACH BOGUS CREDIBILITY TO YOUR BULLSHIT.
and we both know that ‘Hell would freeze over’ before Queen Productions were ever able to obtain such rarities,
THIS IS JUST THE PREDICTABLE TAIL OUT I WAS EXPECTING. IT EFFECTIVELY MEANS THAT THE ITEMS YOU INVENTED WILL NOT HAVE TO BE, AS IT WERE, GIVEN IN EVIDENCE. THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT YOU WOULD SAY, KNOWING THAT THEY CANNOT EVER BE PRESENTED. RIDICULOUS AND PUERILE COMMENT, AND TOTALLY TRANSPARENT TO ALL OF US.... OR THOSE OF US THAT CAN BEAR TO FACE THE REALITY THAT YOU DO GET THINGS WRONG, AND THAT YOU MAKE UP THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLE CANNOT REFUTE.... BUT IN THIS CASE, I CAN.
I'M TELLING YOU, DEAR MOANZONERS, THAT... 'Seven Seas Of Rhye promotional film – which has never been seen by the public – nor has his Bohemian Rhapsody video out-takes.' SIMPLY DO NOT EXIST. DO NOT GIVE THIS PERSON YOUR TIME OR EFFORT. DO NOT BE SO MANIPULATED.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER STRATMAN TYPE OF SUNBURY CONCERT 1974 FILM INVENTION. THEY DON'T EXIST.
THEY NO MORE EXIST, THAN THE PERSON WHO TOLD YOU THIS, BIG CIRCLE OF FRIENDS AND ADMIRERS EXIST. THEY ARE ALL FIGMENTS OF IMAGINATION SUDDENLY PUT FORWARD TO IMPRESS YOU AND MAKE A POINT IN ANGER (OR FRUSTRATION)
'I have been privilege to a private screening.' "MY ARSE!" AS JIM ROYAL SO ELOQUENTLY PUTS IT. IF YOU BELIEVE YOU WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING.
IF HE SAID THAT FOOTAGE OF FREDDIE MERCURY BEATING UP GARY GLITTER IN 1979, AT A PARK IN COVENTRY, AFTER A GIG, EXISTED, GOD, WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT TOO?
PLEASE DON'T BE GULLIBLE ENOUGH TO TAKE THAT IN.
...there are a few ‘elite’ collectors who do indeed own oodles of rare audio and visual material. One collector whom we both know, privately owns film stock of an alternative Seven Seas Of Rhye promotional film – which has never been seen by the public – nor has his Bohemian Rhapsody video out-takes. I know these exist – (as well as many other alternative films and takes) as I have been privilege to a private screening.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS. I HAVE EXTREMELY GOOD REASONS FOR NOT BELIEVING THIS. THIS IS BULLSHIT INVENTED TO MAKE A POINT WHICH IS ALSO INVALID AND NOT WORTHY OF YOU.
We both know these exist,
NO WE DO NOT 'BOTH' KNOW ANY SUCH THING. YOU MAY THINK THEY EXIST, I DO NOT. THAT IS NOT BOTH OF US AT ALL. IT'S JUST YOU, AND YOU TRYING TO ATTACH BOGUS CREDIBILITY TO YOUR BULLSHIT.
and we both know that ‘Hell would freeze over’ before Queen Productions were ever able to obtain such rarities,
THIS IS JUST THE PREDICTABLE TAIL OUT I WAS EXPECTING. IT EFFECTIVELY MEANS THAT THE ITEMS YOU INVENTED WILL NOT HAVE TO BE, AS IT WERE, GIVEN IN EVIDENCE. THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT YOU WOULD SAY, KNOWING THAT THEY CANNOT EVER BE PRESENTED. RIDICULOUS AND PUERILE COMMENT, AND TOTALLY TRANSPARENT TO ALL OF US.... OR THOSE OF US THAT CAN BEAR TO FACE THE REALITY THAT YOU DO GET THINGS WRONG, AND THAT YOU MAKE UP THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLE CANNOT REFUTE.... BUT IN THIS CASE, I CAN.
I'M TELLING YOU, DEAR MOANZONERS, THAT... 'Seven Seas Of Rhye promotional film – which has never been seen by the public – nor has his Bohemian Rhapsody video out-takes.' SIMPLY DO NOT EXIST. DO NOT GIVE THIS PERSON YOUR TIME OR EFFORT. DO NOT BE SO MANIPULATED.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER STRATMAN TYPE OF SUNBURY CONCERT 1974 FILM INVENTION. THEY DON'T EXIST.
THEY NO MORE EXIST, THAN THE PERSON WHO TOLD YOU THIS, BIG CIRCLE OF FRIENDS AND ADMIRERS EXIST. THEY ARE ALL FIGMENTS OF IMAGINATION SUDDENLY PUT FORWARD TO IMPRESS YOU AND MAKE A POINT IN ANGER (OR FRUSTRATION)
'I have been privilege to a private screening.' "MY ARSE!" AS JIM ROYAL SO ELOQUENTLY PUTS IT. IF YOU BELIEVE YOU WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING.
IF HE SAID THAT FOOTAGE OF FREDDIE MERCURY BEATING UP GARY GLITTER IN 1979, AT A PARK IN COVENTRY, AFTER A GIG, EXISTED, GOD, WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT TOO?
PLEASE DON'T BE GULLIBLE ENOUGH TO TAKE THAT IN.