Dave Fuller At It Again

"I pointed out that you have no more right than Fuller to say what happens with Queen's property, not that you can't shout your views on this forum"

But that's argle-gargle, quite honestly. The implication might be that it's okay for him to break the rules if no one wants to punish him - fine - but it can be expected that people will have their say about it. Effectively, you're telling me what I already know.

I just think that his actions - if you adjust a couple of names, dates and places - would be readily condemned in a context that seemed less superficially trivial. And in terms of bootlegging, we might point to shitty examples in the world of shitty people selling counterfeit CDs for peanuts and act as if that somehow makes it okay - I'm just saying that we should be aspiring to better, here. Weasels exist because you let them.

"Cherry-picking lines out of context is the weapon of the someone in a corner isn't it"

At the risk of cherry-picking again; your posts aren't actually long enough for me to meaningfully omit content. I apologise for not responding to each line in turn and in full, but I'm in a rush (I do happen to be a fast typist though; at times I'm done so quickly I wonder if I haven't outsourced the job to India already).

Anyway - I understand the point you were making with regards to my relevance to the stuff being flogged. But to me that's a redundancy at best. Any fool knows that I'm not a person of authority at QPL, and thus removed from any right to exercise action against Mr. Fuller. Why even point that out? It's meaningless. I mean, I'd love to say I'm Jim Beach in disguise, but I'd probably pick a better one if that were the case.

"jeeez, that's a lot of time isn't it?"

Being that I joined the forum in .. mmm ... late 2004? What's that, a quarter of a post a day? I won't swear to the math on that; I'm a musician, I can't count past 4. Point is that I have no idea when having a lot to say started being viewed as a detriment to someone on a website where the idea is to say stuff. If you hadn't already stolen my line, I'd say it's a standard retort for someone who's in a corner. All the postcount tells you is that I wasn't registered last week in an effort to sell Cialis to forum members. Aside from that, I see it as a non-issue.

"Isn't there a local food bank or something that you could help out with?"

I'm making the executive decision to simply believe you're being cute with me, and that you've been around the block enough times to know that people you meet on forums actually exist off of those forums for probably 98% of their day, and get up to a lot of other crap.

"I understand your point of view here. Just baffled why it concerns you THAT much"

Actually, being understood is all I was after! I feel like I haven't failed entirely.
I think viewing my opinion on this issue in isolation is somehow inflating the sense of importance I'm awarding it from your point of view. Does it concern me 'THAT much'? I wouldn't say so, specifically. I think dishonesty is vile, and if I see such a glaring example of it in a community I still (sort of) care about, then I'm at least given to a short motivation to express about it. And since you don't have a problem with that, there's no problem here and I can stop typing. That felt anti-climatic.

"Depends on your definition of a better life"

Actually, it depends on yours. No one's going to convince me that theirs would be somehow worth swapping for mine, because I'm (finally) somewhat happy in my own skin. The phrase 'get a life' comes across as haughty and narrow minded to me, but if you want to get technical then no - I don't really buy into the idea of better and worse lives, and I should hope you don't either. It's bunkum, regardless.

"No, I'm a cunt. Mis-quote that"

Fancy that, I'm the polyp of the forum. Pleased to meet you!

Zeb, there's one thing that bugs me: the Lauren Holly - hot wax thing.

Would you consider that a good dream or a bad one?

[QUOTE] [b]splicksplack wrote:[/b]

[b] I'm a cunt. [/b][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Glad you realise it. Really. And a stupid one to boot.

YouTube and the record labels (and movie companies and TV stations) only care about MONEY and that is the bottom line. I found out that those who download illegally will buy TWICE AS MANY CDs/LPs AS THOSE WHO DON'T (I either play 30 second snippets or stream online and if I like will buy and if I hate it then I save the cash). Then there are "music fans" who download because they can't afford to buy the download/CD/LP and spend money on stupidphones (not smartphones), booze, cancer sticks and stupid shit addictions.

Thank goodness I downloaded some of the shit Fuller had up before the YouTube police came a calling the fucking cunts and put on CD for my PERSONAL ENJOYMENT. Some of the rarities are not commercially available nowadays and some have not been released as Queen Productions (mainly Brian, Roger and Jim Beach) want to rape the public with more insane compilations like Queen Icon, Queen Absolute Greatest, Queen A to Z, Stone Cold Greatest (ENOUGH, it's as bad as KISS and AeroSHIT) and collaborations with bullshit like Robbie Williams (the UK Justin Timberlake), Britard Spears, Brayonce, Lady Gag Gag and that American Idol cocksucker Adam Lambert instead of the from the vault live things (Budapest, Montreal and Milton Keynes are only reissues that delivered in last 11 years as opposed to the compilation albums). Only John Deacon had integrity when he retired when Freddie died. Brian and Roger have to milk the Queen name for all its worth.

I'm sick of the fucking copyright police coming out every five minutes. I see uploading as promotion for the bands (many of whom are now retired) to keep their names alive. When I had videos up, I always gave credit to the artist and acknowledge the copyrights. The fuckers at YouTube are schizophrenic. One minute they will ban a video, next minute re-in-Goddamn-state. I know my rant will get me cast off but David Fuller I stand by and FUCK THE POWERS THAT BE!

Queen did not collaborate with Lady Gaga. Get your contexts straight.

"Zeb, there's one thing that bugs me: the Lauren Holly - hot wax thing.
Would you consider that a good dream or a bad one?"

I'm still making my mind up.

"Only John Deacon had integrity when he retired when Freddie died"

I dunno - he still cashes the cheques. Integrity would be to say 'this money comes from something I don't approve of - you can keep it'.

"I know my rant will get me cast off but David Fuller I stand by and FUCK THE POWERS THAT BE!"

That's an embarrassing attitude to have. Funny, but I was given most (if not all) of my rare/non-commercially available Queen stuff well before Youtube became popular, and definitely before Fuller started doing his thing. I'm not ashamed to admit that it's part of the reason I joined this site. Maybe things have changed, but I'm going out on a limb and saying that I don't need his sorry arse and never did. I owe him nothing.

And although I pretty much agree (in broad terms) about Youtube being a good 'free promotion' tool for bands, Fuller is outside of that jurisdiction, well and truly - he sells stuff. If he wants to make money from music, he should write his own - or do what everyone else does, become an A&R guy and spend the next thirty years of his life awkwardly sucking up to garagebands and telling them that they're going to change the world while quietly signing deals that'll see them eating pizza while he finds out whether or not truffle goes with king prawn.

Zeb, thanks for a considered reply. We can split hairs forever so I won't go any further.

BTW,you being a muso in 4/4 time, try listening to Dance Of The Little Fairies by Sky. It's in 5/8 and strangely hypnotic.

Splicksplack, I like how you conveniently ignore the fact that the issue is NOT about the YouTube uploads themselves (and far from it at that!) and it has never been & will be as far as Fuller is concerned. The only people who can and will care are QPL, Universal and their related business affiliates. The issue is really simply about the fact that , and I do emphasize here, Fuller has been OPENLY SELLING COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE A LICENSE TO DIGITALLY REPLICATE AND SELL ONLINE. I'm really starting to wonder at this rate if Fuller has been long conspiring to bribe idiots to defend him and twist every correct accusation made towards him towards something else, FFS.

Maybe I'm being too forgiving but I'd say it'd be less like bribing idiots and more a case of preying upon the generalised apathy of the public. Apathy might be too strong a word, but he has made a playground out of that area of intellectual property infringement that doesn't seem to be viable to protect.

I mean, same goes for most of Youtube, but to be actually offering stuff for sale (I thought, at least) was on another level of douchery. But if it don't matter to QPL, then - what am I going to do? Drive past his house in a Heisenberg van and magnetise all of his stuff? My only outlet is to call him names - it also happens to be very fun, but I think I've made my point.

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]

"Only John Deacon had integrity when he retired when Freddie died"

I dunno - he still cashes the cheques. Integrity would be to say 'this money comes from something I don't approve of - you can keep it'.[/QUOTE]

Good perspective there.

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]

If he wants to make money from music, he should write his own - or do what everyone else does, become an A&R guy and spend the next thirty years of his life awkwardly sucking up to garagebands and telling them that they're going to change the world while quietly signing deals that'll see them eating pizza while he finds out whether or not truffle goes with king prawn.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to keep reminding you to apply for a job at cracked.com. You could be getting paid to write things no different from this.

Aha, I don't think I'd be regular or reliable enough. But it's a nice thought!

Most of life's greatest achievements begin with the thought 'no way, I wouldn't be able to do it' (or something to that effect).

^ 99% of them, to be exact :p

Seriously, though - I'd go for it Zeb!

Is it really such a bad thing that Dave shares these vids on YouTube? Separating the "sale" aspect of his approach, I enjoy listening to the rare works of queen.