rhyeking wrote:
Bohemian Rhapsody as track 20 is my guess as well.
yeah... BohRhap stay good with 20 place on disc!!
yeah... BohRhap stay good with 20 place on disc!!
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Penetration_Guru wrote:
bhm0129ad wrote:
As I have said in another thread, too many people are whinging for no good reason about this release.
If I had a friend or relative THat I wanted to get into Queen, then right now (in the UK) I would be hard pressed to know which disc(s) to buy.
I would not want to buy all three, or even two GH discs, and buying one would be a tiugh choice because of the great songs that will be untouched.
Firstly, if you wanted to get a friend into Queen, you'd burn a CD. Secondly, you'd buy the Platinum Collection for half what this would sell for.
Fair points, but as a 'gift' (it will be out in time for Christmas) a burned disc is hardly a nice one to give. Yeah, if it is to give to your best mate but if you want to give it you a nephew or something as a gift, then a proper cd,with packaging is always gonna be better.
I realise that the Platinum collection is often cheaper too, but the point here is that it is ONE disc, not three. It would be giving them too much, and besides, SOME of the choices on GH3 don't really show the best of Queen - Elton Wrong singing TSMGO? That would put me OFF as a first time listener LOL.
I was only pointing out that there IS a good point to the new collection, and just because you or I may not be willing to buy it that does not make it so completely lacking in value.
bhm0129ad wrote:
Penetration_Guru wrote:
bhm0129ad wrote:
As I have said in another thread, too many people are whinging for no good reason about this release.
If I had a friend or relative THat I wanted to get into Queen, then right now (in the UK) I would be hard pressed to know which disc(s) to buy.
I would not want to buy all three, or even two GH discs, and buying one would be a tiugh choice because of the great songs that will be untouched.
Firstly, if you wanted to get a friend into Queen, you'd burn a CD. Secondly, you'd buy the Platinum Collection for half what this would sell for.
Fair points, but as a 'gift' (it will be out in time for Christmas) a burned disc is hardly a nice one to give. Yeah, if it is to give to your best mate but if you want to give it you a nephew or something as a gift, then a proper cd,with packaging is always gonna be better.
I realise that the Platinum collection is often cheaper too, but the point here is that it is ONE disc, not three. It would be giving them too much, and besides, SOME of the choices on GH3 don't really show the best of Queen - Elton Wrong singing TSMGO? That would put me OFF as a first time listener LOL.
I was only pointing out that there IS a good point to the new collection, and just because you or I may not be willing to buy it that does not make it so completely lacking in value.
lol! If you can't get Queen fans to buy a Queen product then your marketing strategy is seriously flawed!
To be perfectly honest i really don't give a fuck what the "potential" track listing is. Why all this bullshit discussion? It;s going to be the same old favourites remastered for the hundreth time by Justin and co.
Not every Queen release is directed at Queen fans.
When I bought Classic Queen, I already knew three songs on it, just because they were around (on the radio or whatever). "Bohemian Rhapsody" was riding high via Wayne's World. It was because I liked that song, not knowing anything about Queen, that I looked for a good collection to see if their other stuff was decent. Classic Queen was just out and I looked at the sleeve. Yep, there was "Rhapsody," but there were also some other songs I'd heard of. "One Vision" I knew from the Iron Eagle Soundtrack. "Radio Ga Ga" I remembered from my youth, just because of the title. So, I figured I know there are some good songs on this, I'll take a chance.
That was the collection that made me fall in love with Queen and start seeking our the albums.
Traditionally, any artist's collection of "Hits," "Best Of," or whatever-you-want-to-call-it are geared to get new listeners in by providing the most commercial material. I don't buy every album of every artist or band for whom I bought a Hits collection. Maybe I'll only buy what is considered their best album. Artists KNOW fans may not be interested in a "Hits" CD, because they likely have all those songs. They want more, new fans.
The Platinum Collection is, as someone previously pointed out, 3 discs and 3.5 hours of music. Would I have invested that kind of time into the band at that early stage in my learning about them? Doubtful. I bought Classic Queen in 1993. There were no MP3s, no internet to look up bands. This was the age of Alternative Music. No one was listening to what my peers considered "old fogie" music. For them, it was Nirvana, Pearl Jam and that stuff.
These days, the pendulum has swung in the other direction. I teach at a high school, I talk to the students. Thankfully, Classic Rock is back in as a popular branch of music, but for them, it's now one of hundreds of choices. They can download any song they wish and find it hard to identify with music when the selections seem limitless. There is also an unexpected push with some teenagers and twenty-somethings to go back to vinyl and CDs, to have a physical product that sounds good (rather than a low-quality MP3 off Limewire or whatever). I lend them my CDs and vice versa. They keep me current with good music and I try to give them an education on Zeppelin, Bowie, Reed, Rush, The Who and other bands.
Anyway, the release is coming out and I actually sort of enjoy, in a small way, guessing what the next track will be. Some might think it's pointless (the release AND this discussion) and they aren't wrong (about the discussion), but it boggles my mind that they care so much that feel they need to comment on it. If the subject doesn't interest you, find one that does. Why are you wasting your time here?
When I bought Classic Queen, I already knew three songs on it, just because they were around (on the radio or whatever). "Bohemian Rhapsody" was riding high via Wayne's World. It was because I liked that song, not knowing anything about Queen, that I looked for a good collection to see if their other stuff was decent. Classic Queen was just out and I looked at the sleeve. Yep, there was "Rhapsody," but there were also some other songs I'd heard of. "One Vision" I knew from the Iron Eagle Soundtrack. "Radio Ga Ga" I remembered from my youth, just because of the title. So, I figured I know there are some good songs on this, I'll take a chance.
That was the collection that made me fall in love with Queen and start seeking our the albums.
Traditionally, any artist's collection of "Hits," "Best Of," or whatever-you-want-to-call-it are geared to get new listeners in by providing the most commercial material. I don't buy every album of every artist or band for whom I bought a Hits collection. Maybe I'll only buy what is considered their best album. Artists KNOW fans may not be interested in a "Hits" CD, because they likely have all those songs. They want more, new fans.
The Platinum Collection is, as someone previously pointed out, 3 discs and 3.5 hours of music. Would I have invested that kind of time into the band at that early stage in my learning about them? Doubtful. I bought Classic Queen in 1993. There were no MP3s, no internet to look up bands. This was the age of Alternative Music. No one was listening to what my peers considered "old fogie" music. For them, it was Nirvana, Pearl Jam and that stuff.
These days, the pendulum has swung in the other direction. I teach at a high school, I talk to the students. Thankfully, Classic Rock is back in as a popular branch of music, but for them, it's now one of hundreds of choices. They can download any song they wish and find it hard to identify with music when the selections seem limitless. There is also an unexpected push with some teenagers and twenty-somethings to go back to vinyl and CDs, to have a physical product that sounds good (rather than a low-quality MP3 off Limewire or whatever). I lend them my CDs and vice versa. They keep me current with good music and I try to give them an education on Zeppelin, Bowie, Reed, Rush, The Who and other bands.
Anyway, the release is coming out and I actually sort of enjoy, in a small way, guessing what the next track will be. Some might think it's pointless (the release AND this discussion) and they aren't wrong (about the discussion), but it boggles my mind that they care so much that feel they need to comment on it. If the subject doesn't interest you, find one that does. Why are you wasting your time here?
rhyeking wrote:
Not every Queen release is directed at Queen fans.
When I bought Classic Queen, I already knew three songs on it, just because they were around (on the radio or whatever). "Bohemian Rhapsody" was riding high via Wayne's World. It was because I liked that song, not knowing anything about Queen, that I looked for a good collection to see if their other stuff was decent. Classic Queen was just out and I looked at the sleeve. Yep, there was "Rhapsody," but there were also some other songs I'd heard of. "One Vision" I knew from the Iron Eagle Soundtrack. "Radio Ga Ga" I remembered from my youth, just because of the title. So, I figured I know there are some good songs on this, I'll take a chance.
That was the collection that made me fall in love with Queen and start seeking our the albums.
Traditionally, any artist's collection of "Hits," "Best Of," or whatever-you-want-to-call-it are geared to get new listeners in by providing the most commercial material. I don't buy every album of every artist or band for whom I bought a Hits collection. Maybe I'll only buy what is considered their best album. Artists KNOW fans may not be interested in a "Hits" CD, because they likely have all those songs. They want more, new fans.
The Platinum Collection is, as someone previously pointed out, 3 discs and 3.5 hours of music. Would I have invested that kind of time into the band at that early stage in my learning about them? Doubtful. I bought Classic Queen in 1993. There were no MP3s, no internet to look up bands. This was the age of Alternative Music. No one was listening to what my peers considered "old fogie" music. For them, it was Nirvana, Pearl Jam and that stuff.
These days, the pendulum has swung in the other direction. I teach at a high school, I talk to the students. Thankfully, Classic Rock is back in as a popular branch of music, but for them, it's now one of hundreds of choices. They can download any song they wish and find it hard to identify with music when the selections seem limitless. There is also an unexpected push with some teenagers and twenty-somethings to go back to vinyl and CDs, to have a physical product that sounds good (rather than a low-quality MP3 off Limewire or whatever). I lend them my CDs and vice versa. They keep me current with good music and I try to give them an education on Zeppelin, Bowie, Reed, Rush, The Who and other bands.
Anyway, the release is coming out and I actually sort of enjoy, in a small way, guessing what the next track will be. Some might think it's pointless (the release AND this discussion) and they aren't wrong (about the discussion), but it boggles my mind that they care so much that feel they need to comment on it. If the subject doesn't interest you, find one that does. Why are you wasting your time here?
You hit the nail right on the head.
At first I thought this compilation was just another poor excuse to attain more cash. But once you seperate yourself from this die-hard persona we seem to have, and look at the bigger picture in hand it makes sense.
After reading your post I reflected on how I came to know and love Queen. I first bought their Greatest Hits [Hollywood] album, which touched on them in the 70s, but only just scraped their music from the 80s. In fact, at the time, I quickly assumed Queen were purely a 70s rock band. But after buying Classic Queen I was blown away to find out that not only did they continue on throughout the 80s, but their music grew more mature and diverse. Not to mention it was then that I found out Freddie Mercury wasn't alive anymore. When buying these albums, I think my parents steered me away from getting the three CD set because it would have been a waste of money if I found out I didn't like them. I think this new 'definitive' compilation has a purpose and will serve as a better introduction to our younger generation.
Yes, GH collections are aimed at casual fans and grannies looking for Xmas presents but Queen Productions could've made, for example, a limited edition 2-disc set, one with the hits and one with the b-sides, or remixes, or basically anything to get dedicated Queen fans to buy it. That's what U2 did with their 'Best of' collections a few years back. It's idiotic to alienate their most dedicated group of fans. I think it's more down to laziness these days than anything else. They don't put any effort in their releases any more, it seems they just want the maximum return for the smallest amount of work.
1- We Will Rock You
2- We Are The Champions
That was VERY easy
2- We Are The Champions
That was VERY easy
Holly2003 wrote:
Yes, GH collections are aimed at casual fans and grannies looking for Xmas presents but Queen Productions could've made, for example, a limited edition 2-disc set, one with the hits and one with the b-sides, or remixes, or basically anything to get dedicated Queen fans to buy it. That's what U2 did with their 'Best of' collections a few years back. It's idiotic to alienate their most dedicated group of fans. I think it's more down to laziness these days than anything else. They don't put any effort in their releases any more, it seems they just want the maximum return for the smallest amount of work.
Holly, I'm not picking on your post specifically here, it's just that you raise points which others have too, so I'm citing your post here. Please don't take it personally.
The U2 "Best Of" 2 Disc releases were limited editions. You can only get the single disc in stores these days. Honestly, and maybe this is the pessimist in me talking, if QP included a strictly B-sides disc with the Absolute Hits, there would still be fans who'd still say, "Yeah, but we have those songs already!" and we'd find ourselves back here again.
As for not putting effort into releases...I don't entirely agree. The Queen Rock Montreal + Live Aid DVD made my day. I didn't want to have to by the 6 disc Live Aid DVD set just to get Queen's segment (I held off getting it in the hopes of getting Queen's performance in a more managable release later...and my sister bought the Live Aid DVDs, so I knew I could copy hers if the single performance never made it out). As someone pointed out, last year was a good year for releases, with a new album and a live DVD/CD. The Singles collections are controversial and pricey, yes, but the 1975 Hammersmith Odeon concert is coming out, so you have *that* to look forward too. As a fan, *I* don't feel alienated. When Stone Cold Classics was released by HR, I was like, "Okay, whatever." I was happy about the re-issued Montreal concert DVD/CD. I guess the difference between me and other fans is that I don't feel Queen owes every release being dedicated to me as a hardcore fan. I haven't bought the Singles Boxes because of the price. I have the songs already. I'm curous, as a fan, about what will be on the next few and even started a post suggesting a track listing.
My point in this rambling: New stuff comes out and "previously released" stuff comes out at fairly regular intervals (a live album every few years, a new "Hits" collection every few years), so buy what you want and try to keep some perspective.
And remember, we ALL want the so-called Queen Anthologies chock full of demos and unreleased stuff. We've wanted it since at least 2002. Seven years of posting: "Why have you foresaken us, QP?" about them has gotten us what, exactly? Queen and Queen Productions isn't going to forget we want them if we all stop moaning about them. They might actually appreciate our restrained so they don't feel pressured and end up releasing a sub-par product.
Patience is a virtue. I know it's hard (I lose mine regularly!).
Another update!
"Killer Queen" is officially track 12.
Now we've got:
i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK)
ii) We Are The Champions UK #2
iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2
iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7
v) I Want It All UK #3
vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2
vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3
viii) Under Pressure UK #1
ix) One Vision UK #7
x) You're My Best Friend UK #7
xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9
xii) Killer Queen UK #2
The UK Top 10 theory holds. I'm guessing "I Want To Break Free" will be next.
"Killer Queen" is officially track 12.
Now we've got:
i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK)
ii) We Are The Champions UK #2
iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2
iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7
v) I Want It All UK #3
vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2
vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3
viii) Under Pressure UK #1
ix) One Vision UK #7
x) You're My Best Friend UK #7
xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9
xii) Killer Queen UK #2
The UK Top 10 theory holds. I'm guessing "I Want To Break Free" will be next.
rhyeking wrote:
The U2 "Best Of" 2 Disc releases were limited editions. You can only get the single disc in stores these days. Honestly, and maybe this is the pessimist in me talking, if QP included a strictly B-sides disc with the Absolute Hits, there would still be fans who'd still say, "Yeah, but we have those songs already!" and we'd find ourselves back here again.
Which would be a total pisstake. That would piss anyone off who has just bought parts 1 and 2 of the singles boxsets, and would decrease sales of parts 2 and 4. Way to go!
Which is why the single disc Absolute Hits collection continues to make sense, for the reasons listed above.
I'd interested to see if Queen and Queen Productions pull the Platinum Collection after Absolute Hits lands on the shelf. Brian has said that he'd prefer to push album sales, which is obviously being deflected by a massive 3 disc set in the UK and a half a dozen collections in the US. Keep Absolute Hits and Queen Rocks on the shelves and do a big promotional campaign for the original albums.
Naturally, all this would be directed at new fans and not us, who have the albums.
*We* have Hammersmith 1975 to look forward to!
I'd interested to see if Queen and Queen Productions pull the Platinum Collection after Absolute Hits lands on the shelf. Brian has said that he'd prefer to push album sales, which is obviously being deflected by a massive 3 disc set in the UK and a half a dozen collections in the US. Keep Absolute Hits and Queen Rocks on the shelves and do a big promotional campaign for the original albums.
Naturally, all this would be directed at new fans and not us, who have the albums.
*We* have Hammersmith 1975 to look forward to!
@rhyeking -- good points, no problem at all with well-argued (and polite) responses to what I say.
I don't see why Queen could not have released a Limited Edition set along the lines of the U2 set I mentioned. Something for the casual fan, and something for the more dedicated. I mentioned b-sides, which I would've considered buying (but, to be honest, may not have), but a b-side extra disc was just one option. They could've released remixed versions, 12-inch versions, demo versions, a DVD etc., in short, anything to appeal to a more dedicated fan. But they chose not to. I find it difficult to understand that strategy except for the reason I stated -- laziness, maximum return for least effort etc.
As for Queen's efforts in the last decade or so, I bought Milton Keynes which was long overdue a release, and was excellent I bought Queen Rock Montreal on DVD, but the special extras that were promised turned out to be Live Aid(!) so I was a bit disappointed with that given what they might have included instead. On a whim, I bought a Princes of the Universe cd about 6 years ago. (I also bought TCR, plus the live QPR shows, but that's a little different). And that's about it. I don't believe that Queen have really catered to more dedicated fans over that time period: their marketing strategy, it seems to me, is always to go for a generic audience, and any release that would not have mass appeal is not considered. Of course, I'm really looking forward to Hammersmith: hopefully they'll make it worthwhile, with proper specical features and a decent book(let). Maybe they'll also follow the lead of QRM and release it as a cd and DVD.
@negative creep -- I don't understand why they released the single boxsets in the first place (anyone have any sales figures?), so don't ask me why they've chosen to release a collection of singles on one cd at the same time!
I don't see why Queen could not have released a Limited Edition set along the lines of the U2 set I mentioned. Something for the casual fan, and something for the more dedicated. I mentioned b-sides, which I would've considered buying (but, to be honest, may not have), but a b-side extra disc was just one option. They could've released remixed versions, 12-inch versions, demo versions, a DVD etc., in short, anything to appeal to a more dedicated fan. But they chose not to. I find it difficult to understand that strategy except for the reason I stated -- laziness, maximum return for least effort etc.
As for Queen's efforts in the last decade or so, I bought Milton Keynes which was long overdue a release, and was excellent I bought Queen Rock Montreal on DVD, but the special extras that were promised turned out to be Live Aid(!) so I was a bit disappointed with that given what they might have included instead. On a whim, I bought a Princes of the Universe cd about 6 years ago. (I also bought TCR, plus the live QPR shows, but that's a little different). And that's about it. I don't believe that Queen have really catered to more dedicated fans over that time period: their marketing strategy, it seems to me, is always to go for a generic audience, and any release that would not have mass appeal is not considered. Of course, I'm really looking forward to Hammersmith: hopefully they'll make it worthwhile, with proper specical features and a decent book(let). Maybe they'll also follow the lead of QRM and release it as a cd and DVD.
@negative creep -- I don't understand why they released the single boxsets in the first place (anyone have any sales figures?), so don't ask me why they've chosen to release a collection of singles on one cd at the same time!
It's simple whoever is in charge they're money grabbing C****
Holly2003 wrote:
@rhyeking -- good points, no problem at all with well-argued (and polite) responses to what I say.
I don't see why Queen could not have released a Limited Edition set along the lines of the U2 set I mentioned. Something for the casual fan, and something for the more dedicated. I mentioned b-sides, which I would've considered buying (but, to be honest, may not have), but a b-side extra disc was just one option. They could've released remixed versions, 12-inch versions, demo versions, a DVD etc., in short, anything to appeal to a more dedicated fan. But they chose not to. I find it difficult to understand that strategy except for the reason I stated -- laziness, maximum return for least effort etc.
As for Queen's efforts in the last decade or so, I bought Milton Keynes which was long overdue a release, and was excellent I bought Queen Rock Montreal on DVD, but the special extras that were promised turned out to be Live Aid(!) so I was a bit disappointed with that given what they might have included instead. On a whim, I bought a Princes of the Universe cd about 6 years ago. (I also bought TCR, plus the live QPR shows, but that's a little different). And that's about it. I don't believe that Queen have really catered to more dedicated fans over that time period: their marketing strategy, it seems to me, is always to go for a generic audience, and any release that would not have mass appeal is not considered. Of course, I'm really looking forward to Hammersmith: hopefully they'll make it worthwhile, with proper specical features and a decent book(let). Maybe they'll also follow the lead of QRM and release it as a cd and DVD.
@negative creep -- I don't understand why they released the single boxsets in the first place (anyone have any sales figures?), so don't ask me why they've chosen to release a collection of singles on one cd at the same time!
If they put a Limited Edition 2 disc Absolute Hits + Other stuff (remixes, b-sides, extended versions, etc.), I 'd buy it! The Very Best Of Freddie Mercury did it, though that wasn't a QP release. Maybe they will, there's still plenty of time before it comes out.
I assume they'll issue the Hammersmith '75 concert on DVD *and* CD. The DVD won't be complete because Brian confirmed the BBC crew stopped taping after the R'n'R' Medley...leaving the last few songs (Rhye, Fool, etc.) audio-only. I'll be annoyed if it's DVD only.