Queen "Elite!".

"revolution", "good business strategy".

Honestly? It's just a song. You'd think you were the one that made it the way you're ranting here.

You're posts are normally very inciteful and intersting, but this just reads like a madman who hasn't left his PC since the internet began.

I spent an absolute fortune when I was younger on bootlegs and "rare" material... all shitty quality and in hindsight a total waste of money (and not just because the same material is free online nowadays). Greedy "traders" preyed on young fans like myself and robbed us blind under the "rare" guise. These items would have had no monetary value had folk like yourself been more generous with material that no matter how hard it took to get... is the property of Queen. Why should you get to pick and choose what gets released and what gets hoarded. You're trying to have it both ways. i';m sure after you (generously) shared the BBC masters there were plenty of traders upset with your actions.... did they come to QZ and have a moan?

I appreciate the trading world, and apperciate the amount of effort genuine traders (like yourself) went to over the years to build up your collections, but those days are long gone. Anyone that gets upset because a track they had gets released should really have a think to why they'er getting upset. After you give someone a track (which is up to you) then you lose any rights of distribution. Whether you were duped or not!

Coming here and saying there's a "doomsday" starting... well, maybe you should have calmed down before writing such nonsense.

You could have just came on and said, "x is a cunt, he lied to me and shared a song I was hoarding and i want you all to know. I had the track first, it was mine" and then just put your dummy back in.

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
No one actually *likes* the guy, but you can bet that they suck-the-hell up to him in order to keep him doing what he's doing. It's hilarious to watch the little kiss-asses go to work on him as though he recorded the music himself. [/QUOTE]

Got to laugh here, you're being so hyopocritcal it's laughable. Did John S Stuart make the music himself?

You've a right to your opinion on Dave Fuller, but he has and still is sharing a wealth of Queen material that nobody had heard before or could find. Like most of us over a certain age, finding new Queen material isn't the be all and end all, but too the kids (who you call kiss-asses) just getting into the band in a big way, new material is a big rush. The same rush that most of us got at the same stage of our Queen fan apprenticeship. If you say you didn't then I'd say you're telling porkies.

Give Dave pelters all you like, but don't go making others sound like martyrs just because you know them from an internet forum. Not many (including John Stuart) have went to the same effort to release hard to find Queen material online without asking for nothing in return and without page long comments making sure the world knwos that they had it first. Not too mature.

I think that I may be being stupid here - but this thread is not about Queen, music, traders, hoarders or even myself per se, but about personal troll abuse.
My point is: I do not think anyone (whether it is me - or anyone else) deserves threats, vile e-mails, personal messages or viruses. Yes; they can be deleted, but that doesn't make them any less tolerable.

Sure, in the real world we can accept that not everyone likes us. That is normal and acceptable.
But to have someone invade one's privacy and personal space in such a degrading manner is just not acceptable in a civilised society (imo).

And, there is no correct answer. I get trolled if I do share, and trolled if I do not. That is why I very rarely post on here anymore. It's just not worth the hassle.
It's not dummy spitting out, it's not even a complaint. It's a plea for understanding, not agreement or acceptance.

Get a job, get an education, get a widescreen HD telly. Life is too short. To quote Star Wars: "Who is the bigger fool. The fool who leads - or the fool who follows"?

Likewise who is the bigger c*nt?

"Got to laugh here, you're being so hyopocritcal it's laughable"

I don't see how. I'm making an observation on the behaviour of fans, and furthermore it's a behaviour I'm not a fuckin' party to. I won't kiss anyone's arse on this forum with the assumption that I'm going to get something out of it. Either they upload stuff or they don't; I'm not about to grovel.

No hypocrisy there. I can only assume that you mean to say that you think I'm somehow talking up JSS at the expense of Dave Fuller, which I assure you was not my intention. I find Fuller's "I'm the 5th member of Queen" act a little galling at times, but ultimately I don't care about him or any collector.

The umbrage you see being taken with his actions in the past couple of days purely comes down to him being untrustworthy and self interested. He is a duplicitous sod; friendly when he has something to gain, dishonest when he's been caught out, and illiterate in the extreme if he thinks you've insulted him (I have the emails to prove it, ha ha).

I'm not involved in any of these trades so I have no inside knowledge. However it strikes me that some underhand deal was done whenever Sun City was offered here for free. The guy uploaded one part but not the other (as he promised to do). Now I'm willing to bet there's a few people on here know what happened to the second part and have kept quiet about it. My guess is that someone here made the guy an offer in return for exclusive owndership of the whole Sun City gig. I could be wrong of course -- maybe the guy just cleared off, or maybe he was using the partial upload as a bargaining ploy and wasn't the rather naive roadie figure he made himself out to be -- but if I'm right how does that sit with the idea that the "elite" traders are doing us all a favour? In this case surely they are keeping material out of the public domain? Should they be praised for this?

Elite suckers i will say bloodsuckers...who F cares give it away free & its F stolen stuff anyway.

This is just my personal position, and I'm not claiming to know the minds of anyone who does this - but I would never pay for a frigging Queen rarity. The truth of it is that someone snatched it for free originally. That thing, however many generations ago, came from somewhere it shouldn't have. I figure if one person can get it for free, then so can someone else.. ie. Me. Selfish attitude? Maybe. I'm just being practical. There is literally no actual reason for someone to charge money for these things, so I have limited (read : NO) sympathy for these people who say they've spent thousands of dollars on their collections. Commiserations to you guys ... you got fucked. It happens when you're too loose with your money.

Zebonka has a point. Why pay for these rarities?
I would pay for the actual acetate, reel to reel or whatever, but not for a copy of it.
I assume the hard copy would lose some value but it would still be equally rare, equally unique, don't you think?
I don't believe JSS or any other "elite traders" (like everybody seems to call them today) would sell their material for profit. They trade it to get other similary rare material. I don't see anything bad about it.
Would you rather trade for a rare baseball card or buy it for $100k USD? Would it be the same if you downloaded a high quality print of it? I don't think so!

Like I said before, this is not about hoarders and leechers, heroes or villains. This is about a promise broken.

Still, Queenzone has seen several of those in the last 12 years I've been here. It's certainly not Queen fan doomsday.

[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
I think that I may be being stupid here - but this thread is not about Queen, music, traders, hoarders or even myself per se, but about personal troll abuse.
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Perhaps I'm the one being stupid here, but I clearly remember this board being about Queen and music when i joined. When did that change and why wasn't I notified?

[QUOTE] [b]Fireplace wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
I think that I may be being stupid here - but this thread is not about Queen, music, traders, hoarders or even myself per se, but about personal troll abuse.
[/QUOTE]
Perhaps I'm the one being stupid here, but I clearly remember this board being about Queen and music when i joined. When did that change and why wasn't I notified?[/QUOTE]
Good point, succinctly made and I totally agree with you.
My only defence is that this rant was generically aimed at a very few on Queenzone, the board, and the community in general - and that's why I said it. It may be the wrong forum (I appologise for that) but I still think it's the right place.

I far prefer it over here in QZ than on the other channel - but that is my preference. I also don't believe that the abuse should be accepted, tollerated or comes with the territory.
I don't think I can see myself calling anyone a "c*nt" on any public forum, so perhaps I am being over-sensitive, but remember my mum, my kids, my friends, and their friends read this!

I am not after sympathy, support, kudos or anything like that. However, I did politely request the poster to "refine" his post (not delete or censorship) but my request has been declined.

Seeing as how my request has not been granted; I still ask in my own awkward way - while you may agree with the poster - does anyone actually accept that anyone needs this abuse, especially in a forum that is supposed to be fun?

I am not a cry baby, or bleeding heart liberal, but my final point is - should such abuse be tollerated in here (in real life one can always walk away); or by ignoring or just accepting this as the norm - are we are actually approving via inaction?

Again; sorry for the rant. Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but the printed word is a lot more permanant and unforgiving than an off-the-cuff oral remark.

I agree, we may never play happilly together, one can not please all the people all the time, (so someone is always offended) but the least we can do is show some respect towards each other - or am I really that much out of touch?

I'm not an elite, but I liked the message.

Thanks for all your help Mr. Stuart.