Queen "Elite!".

The notorious Queen elite descends from the tribe of Hoarders who invaded the land of Fairy Queen's back in 1207. They soon took over the lands of the fairies and started ruling over the community, having slain the Fairy King.

They brought their own customs and language, and currency (bootlegged audience recordings, rare tracks, acetates). The king of the elite hoarders, King John Stuart III is a ruthless ruler who regularly sends his army of hoarders to pillage the mp3-album collections of "ordinary fairies".

How long will the rule of this upper-crust last? Nobody knows, but the fairies await for the birth of their saviour, for he shall be born soon and his name shall be Sir Jacob of Britt. And he shall be strong, handsome and manly, Oh and talented beyond our wildest dreams.

Oh wait, what was this topic about?

JSS you do what the hell you want with what you have in your possession. You really should name and shame the 'collectors' with no morals. In fact, come clean with exactly what you have in your collection and just keep it to yourself, forever.

It will drive them insane.

JSS, You don't own the stuff, you just have an ability to aquire the stuff. Wether you share that stuff or not, I don't give a toss. But please stop playing the martyr, FFs.

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
This is just my personal position, and I'm not claiming to know the minds of anyone who does this - but I would never pay for a frigging Queen rarity. The truth of it is that someone snatched it for free originally. That thing, however many generations ago, came from somewhere it shouldn't have. I figure if one person can get it for free, then so can someone else.. ie. Me. Selfish attitude? Maybe. I'm just being practical. There is literally no actual reason for someone to charge money for these things, so I have limited (read : NO) sympathy for these people who say they've spent thousands of dollars on their collections. Commiserations to you guys ... you got fucked. It happens when you're too loose with your money.[/QUOTE]
not everything was stolen
some stuff is unceremoniously dumped - in skips etc, other things are given to people, sometimes engineers get to keep copies for their own "portfolios"
in any way, in these cases the stuff was unwanted at the time, so it's the property of whoever gave it a new life, and before this starts another row, i am not talkign about intellectual property, i am referring to physical property
but i take your point that lots of it is stolen

It's a shame all this went down the way it did. It sounded like a cool project y'all were working on. I'm grateful for all the contributions JSS has made to the Queen community, especially allowing his ultimate lists to be used on certain fan sites. ;-) I guess I'm greedy cause if I spent hundreds of dollars on an acetate, I probably wouldn't want to share it, at least not with everyone. >:-)

"i am not talkign about intellectual property, i am referring to physical property"

I take your meaning. A couple of you raise the point that it's worth paying for the original item - for curiosities sake, I'd buy a Queen tape, or acetate, or film reel, or whatever-the-fuck one would find a rarity on in its original form.

But paying for a replication is ridiculous. The collector didn't make the thing and sure as shit isn't giving the songwriter a cut of the proceeds. I'm strongly in favour of spreading stuff that isn't for sale when the artist can't be boned putting it out officially, but I also strongly believe that it shouldn't be to line someone else's pockets.

as a collector, granted not "elite" (you have to be an ass to call yourself that, r u still living in 1993/1994?), I have to say I don't give a flying fuck about the Reaction tapes...gee...nor do I care much about the "Too Much Love Will Kill You" sessions...
as for "Hangman", the never-ending-story of the Queen fora (yes, that's the plural!), I've heard so much b/s over the years...Dave F. is now accusing JSS of selling the acetate to QP while at the same time QP deny everything (well QP can keep on denying - their credibility is non-existent) ... kindergarten rulez 
do me a favor, "elite": post a 30 seconds clip of a studio take of "Hangman" or sth interesting...please...

People fail to realise that the single greatest item of Queen product that could ever be 'leaked' has been and that is the BoRhap multitrack. There is NOTHING locked away anywhere that can touch that.

The obvious superiority complexes of the 'Elite' or whatever pretentious name they have given themselves are completely unfounded.

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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b] I'm not involved in any of these trades so I have no inside knowledge. However it strikes me that some underhand deal was done whenever Sun City was offered here for free. The guy uploaded one part but not the other (as he promised to do). Now I'm willing to bet there's a few people on here know what happened to the second part and have kept quiet about it. My guess is that someone here made the guy an offer in return for exclusive owndership of the whole Sun City gig. I could be wrong of course -- maybe the guy just cleared off, or maybe he was using the partial upload as a bargaining ploy and wasn't the rather naive roadie figure he made himself out to be -- but if I'm right how does that sit with the idea that the "elite" traders are doing us all a favour? In this case surely they are keeping material out of the public domain? Should they be praised for this?[/QUOTE]

No takers on this one? lol

[QUOTE] [b]Pierre wrote:[/b]
Elite suckers i will say bloodsuckers...who F cares give it away free & its F stolen stuff anyway.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, who the F are you and why the F do you claim that "it" is stolen stuff ?

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[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b] I'm not involved in any of these trades so I have no inside knowledge. However it strikes me that some underhand deal was done whenever Sun City was offered here for free. The guy uploaded one part but not the other (as he promised to do). Now I'm willing to bet there's a few people on here know what happened to the second part and have kept quiet about it. My guess is that someone here made the guy an offer in return for exclusive owndership of the whole Sun City gig. I could be wrong of course -- maybe the guy just cleared off, or maybe he was using the partial upload as a bargaining ploy and wasn't the rather naive roadie figure he made himself out to be -- but if I'm right how does that sit with the idea that the "elite" traders are doing us all a favour? In this case surely they are keeping material out of the public domain? Should they be praised for this?[/QUOTE] No takers on this one? lol[/QUOTE]


Okay, since you asked I answer: If some fan had obtained the Sun City gig we would surely have heard about it - at least rumours. In fact, there are usually more rumours than actual recordings. Of course it is much better to blame it on "elite traders" - whoever they may be. Like 9/11 was an "inside job" and men never flew to the moon. Conspiracy theories have the advantage that you can blame anyone - not even someone specific - without the slightest proof. "someone" "made an offer", some "underhand deal", omg - I don't believe it. If you knew ANYTHING about collecting you would know that any collector would have been too happy to download Sun City for free because exclusiveness is not the aim of collecting - completeness is.

Err.. 9/11? Okay ...

The aim of collecting is completion, of course, but to be able to do that you need something to trade and the rarer the thing you have the more you have to trade with. Isn't Sun City rare? I find it very odd that the person uploaded 1/2 a concert for free then completely disappeared. Don't you? I suspect he was made an offer. That's the most likely explanation -- nothing to do with 9/11 conspiracies etc. Bit surprising to hear that from you YV.

Honestly, I find it very hard to work up any sympathy for JSS or anyone else hanging onto rare recordings, be that Queen Productions or people here. The stuff recently leaked is nearly 50 years old ffs! How long are people going to hang onto this stuff? Until we're all dead and buried?

[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b] ...The aim of collecting is completion, of course, but to be able to do that you need something to trade and the rarer the thing you have the more you have to trade with. Isn't Sun City rare? I find it very odd that the person uploaded 1/2 a concert for free then completely disappeared. Don't you? I suspect he was made an offer. That's the most likely explanation --[/QUOTE]

Another explanation would be that the uploader had gotten it as a trade himself, and for some reason wanted to make the item worthless in the trading scene.

Perhaps he was cheated on a trade ("I'll send you half the show before you send me your material, and the other half afterwards"), and wanted to have revenge for it?

[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]Honestly, I find it very hard to work up any sympathy for JSS or anyone else hanging onto rare recordings, be that Queen Productions or people here. The stuff recently leaked is nearly 50 years old ffs! How long are people going to hang onto this stuff? Until we're all dead and buried?[/QUOTE]

That's pretty much how I feel too, but I'm also beginning to lose interest in the material.

15 years ago I would have jumped at the chance of getting every bit of Queen material, but I'm just not interested in it anymore. A few more decades and there's NOBODY interested in the material, and all the collectibles will turn into worthless items again. :/

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[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b] Of course it is much better to blame it on "elite traders" - whoever they may be. Like 9/11 was an "inside job" and men never flew to the moon. Conspiracy theories have the advantage that you can blame anyone - not even someone specific - without the slightest proof. "someone" "made anoffer", some "underhand deal", omg - I don't believe it.[/QUOTE]
I think an example of elite traders might be a dozen or so people who enrol in a secret society called 'Fanthology' that aims to tightly keep everything in the group, even the knowledge of the very existence of material.  Look at the language in the other thread: "David this should never have been made public"......"since you left Fanthology has updated a huge range of studio rarities - which will never be discussed in public."...."you betrayed your trust". As strange as it is for me to completely fathom, this *is* the language of conspiracy,